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I'm sorry. I know the Dark One knows, but he had time to reveal that to Demandred in LOC. So why do we believe Asmodean is going to suddenly be enough of a conversation starter for the Dark One to finally reveal it? Sorry, but no. Graendal definately didn't kill Asmodean. Put her next to Sammael as disqualified.

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Well it was either Graendal or slayer. Although I was hopeful Graendal's deed would be revealed in tGS we didn't get any face time with her. There is a good chance it'll be revealed through a Moridin POV or a Graendal POV (I'm still not entirely convinced she is dead). The other option is through a Perrin vs slayer showdown.
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I'm sorry. I know the Dark One knows, but he had time to reveal that to Demandred in LOC.
What has time got to do with anything?
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Mazrim Taim drew the eye. He was tall, with a strongly hooked nose and an air of physical strength about him. An air of darkness, too. He sat there with his ankles crossed and one arm hanging over the heavy arm of the throne, yet he seemed ready to explode into violence. Interestingly, though his black coat was embroidered with blue-and-gold dragons that twined around the sleeves from elbows to cuffs, he did not wear the collar pins.
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Why would he want to tell Demandred though? I mean...he had plenty of time to tell Demandred that Rand killed Rahvin. But since he didn't, then obviously Rand didn't kill him. In fact, since the Dark One had plenty of time to tell him who killed Asmodean, and didn't, then obviously no one killed him. He just died as a direct result of being twisted by his weakness...
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I don't assume the Dark One wants to tell Demandred everything. Maybe he wanted to see Demandred's reaction.

But that still begs the question why would the Dark One reveal Asmodean's killer to anyone else? And why, just at TG?
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He would reveal it to Moridin because Moridin is Nae'blis, and Shaidar Haran likely knows it by default.
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So that is the one loophole that the Graendal faction will have to hang onto until the next book, when it all ends?

Fine. I can last another couple years before it's over for that theory as well.
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Yup, that be their loophole. Much as I would love for that theory to be put to rest.
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I know the Dark One knows, but he had time to reveal that to Demandred in LOC.
How would the Dark One know, if Asmodean's killer was say balefired? Where do temporarily "paused" individuals go?

On a temporary all expenses paid vacation to Hawaii?

Semirhage and Graendal both saw it, one from the True Power and the other Saidin. Would the end effect be the same, or not?
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Yup, that be their loophole. Much as I would love for that theory to be put to rest.
That or the fact that Graendal is potentially still alive.


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It's been suggested
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How would the Dark One know, if Asmodean's killer was say balefired?
The memories of the killer would remain. So if that person told the Dark One, directly or indirectly, it wouldn't be forgotten.
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That or the fact that Graendal is potentially still alive.


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It's been suggested
Yeah, there's that too. Some argue she used Compulsion that would dissolve on purpose....but at the exact moment he balefired the building? Hard to argue, I think.
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Let me put it this way,

She has as much chance as Osan'gar to be alive. And how many people argue that anymore? Exactly.
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Well...we actually SAW him die, really. Some might say he gated away at the last second or something, but with Graendal, we couldn't see her at all.
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And we saw the compulsion stop.

Either way, the concept is they had just enough time to get away. But they didn't.
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Well, the difference is that Graendal had reason to suspect she was being targeted - Osan'gar knew he was in danger, but he had pretty much no choice but to try to carry out his plan at Shadar Logoth, and he definitely didn't see Elza coming. Graendal had no incentive to stay once she was tipped off.
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Well, the difference is that Graendal had reason to suspect she was being targeted - Osan'gar knew he was in danger, but he had pretty much no choice but to try to carry out his plan at Shadar Logoth, and he definitely didn't see Elza coming. Graendal had no incentive to stay once she was tipped off.
If she Traveled, she wouldn't have an incentive to keep the compulsion up either. If anything, she should have tied it off somehow to cover her escape.

But she didn't.
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If she Traveled, she wouldn't have an incentive to keep the compulsion up either. If anything, she should have tied it off somehow.
She would have wanted Rand to think that she was dead, so he wouldn't come after her.
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I understand the reasoing, but how could she manage the timing of it all thousands of miles away? I don't think she could have.
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