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Okay - so what we got coming out of The Gathering Storm?

Graendal Is Alive
Graendal Is Dead
Asmodean Lives!
Osan'gar Lives!
Verin's Letter to Mat (what it entails)
LTT Was a Construct (the end)
The Voice of LTT Will Return
Seanchan Assassins (who they will kill, if they remain)
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Mesanna, an Update
Balefire and Severing - One Power vs. True Power
Gawyn - The Vendetta
Asmodean, an Update and the Small Clue
Rand and the True Power - Where did it come from?
Rand and Tuon - What's next?
The DO influencing the Pattern through Rand?

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Was Rand able to access the True Power largely because of his 'connection' to Moridin, or because the Dark One willed it?
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Verin's letters--I want to know who else she sent/gave missives to and what they direct those folks to do next.
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What's next for the Borderlanders?
What's next for Perrin, Galad and Co?
What's next for Mat and the Band? (besides ToG, anyway)

Hmm, they are all near Caemlyn (relatively) and the BT or heading that way.

Will Moiraine and Cadsuane get along?
What other secrets did Verin's diary contain? Did the other deceased (or still alive) BA leave behind any incriminating items (like Alviarin's code books)? And will Egwene get Coreanin's notes finally?
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Coreanin Sedai=Black Ajah?

How else did the BA know so much about those ter'angreal. Were her notes that extensive?
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Verin's letters--I want to know who else she sent/gave missives to and what they direct those folks to do next.
One thing that seems to me is the Verin knew that death was a likely possibility...but even in the event that her primary plan, the Oath Rod, didn't work, she had a back-up, ie the tea. Now, for Mat, the letter was 'open after ten days', but if she didn't show up, to wait a little while. Now, could this mean that she knew death was a possibility, perhaps a certainty, and that she's got some hope of...resurrecting somehow and will return to talk to Mat? It seems a stretch, even to me, but why would Verin insist on the waiting if death was such a likely outcome? Unless she knew that it might take time to get a new body.
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I imagine she might have sped up her plans as she perceived everything going on and Egwene's situation. She needed her to have the information she was gathering but couldn't share it unless she took the tea (or the oath rod)...the oath rod part was...I don't know...I'm not sure how much I like that she could have lived and taken the oaths off...
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But are we positive we could remove the BA oathes? I know we can take of WT oathes....
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Black Ajah oaths are removable, otherwise Seaine's oath rod tricks would not have helped uncover Talene and co's "secrets" (of being black sisters).

Brings me to my next theory idea: now that we know some of the BA oaths, how does that change how we see the previous confessions of captured darkfriend sisters like Joiya and Amico? Presumably, Joiya was freed of those oaths when she was stilled.
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Oaths to the darkone aren't just powerful because they use the oathrod, DF's are marked (see: Fain's musings) and irrevocably tried to him (see: Verin's statements that you can never cease being DF, though she thought she could remove oaths.)

So we have two levels of oaths, and a ceremony (See: Verin's implication that the DF oaths were involved and messy) which, in some way, ties the individual to the DO.
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It's way too late and I'm way to drunk to look up the quote in question here, but didn't Fain say he could see the DF mark even though the person in question hadn't even officially become DF, just thought about joining?
That to me means that he isn't seeing an actual mark given by swearing to the DO but more like recognizing evil in people.
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It's way too late and I'm way to drunk to look up the quote in question here, but didn't Fain say he could see the DF mark even though the person in question hadn't even officially become DF, just thought about joining?
That to me means that he isn't seeing an actual mark given by swearing to the DO but more like recognizing evil in people.
I believe Fain's power was completely unique to him and was the result of the Mordeth/Fain quagmire along with the Ishy "distilling" process. I'd love to know what that "distilling" actually was.
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Black Ajah oaths are removable, otherwise Seaine's oath rod tricks would not have helped uncover Talene and co's "secrets" (of being black sisters).

Brings me to my next theory idea: now that we know some of the BA oaths, how does that change how we see the previous confessions of captured darkfriend sisters like Joiya and Amico? Presumably, Joiya was freed of those oaths when she was stilled.
Joiya wasn't stilled -- at least not until Slayer nailed her tongue to the door; death is the Ultimate Unhealable Stilling.

Amico was the one stilled before the iterrogations in Tear.
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Nynaeve will rip Rand out of Tel'aran'rhiod when he dies. (Thanks for reminding me of that one, WH.)
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Thanks, WH. I knew it was one of them. Time for a re-read.
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