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It's quite honestly impossible to keep up with stuff here and keep up with real life, so forgive me if this has been discussed before.

But I have a theory. Try not to fall over.

I think Rand's been channeling the True Power unconsciously throughout tGS. More specifically, every time the light dimmed in the room when he was getting upset and unable to control it. I felt that the light dimming needed an explanation, but couldn't come up with a real viable reason the light would dim until I started my re-read of the series and came across this:

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Tossing back his black cloak, Elan Morin flexed his hands. "A pity for you," he mused, "that one of your Sisters is not here. I was never very skilled at Healing, and I follow a different power now. But even one of them could only give you a few lucid minutes, if you did not destroy her first. What I can do will serve as well, for my purposes." His sudden smile was cruel. "But I fear Shai'tan's healing is different from the sort you know. Be healed, Lews Therin!" He extended his hands, and the light dimmed as if a shadow had been laid across the sun.
Now, that's hardly conclusive, true. But Rand is channeling every time I can think of that black cloud forms in the room and the only time an Asha'man is around to confirm he's channeling saidin is during his discussion with Tuon and there aren't any external signs of light Compulsion (note that I am asserting that he's using Compulsion on her. That's how I read it and that's how I still see it, even after considering Rand's ta'veren-ness. Her thoughts are just too unnatural for it to be anything else, imo. But that's largely another debate.)

Anyway, unless someone can give me another viable option or prove me wrong, I'm going with Rand is unknowingly channeling the TP.

I've also toyed with idea that Moridin is doing it through him somehow, but even I'm not sure about that one.
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Yeah, there's also the bit where Ituralde watches him make a gateway outside the stedding, and Rand has a look of ecstasy on his face. When I first read that, I thought "Is Rand channeling the True Power?" And then I thought, nahhhhh....couldn't be!

But it's weird, cause he definitely realized he was using it when he killed Semirhage. You'd think he would have recognized it before. Perhaps he only recognized it with Semirhage because he KNEW it wasn't saidin.

However, the shadow that accompanied Ishamael in the early books is an advanced side effect of using the True Power, and I think some of that is coming through the link with Moridin.
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Yeah, there's also the bit where Ituralde watches him make a gateway outside the stedding, and Rand has a look of ecstasy on his face. When I first read that, I thought "Is Rand channeling the True Power?" And then I thought, nahhhhh....couldn't be!

But it's weird, cause he definitely realized he was using it when he killed Semirhage. You'd think he would have recognized it before. Perhaps he only recognized it with Semirhage because he KNEW it wasn't saidin.
The ecstasy line bothered me too. At first I figured it was just the joy of channeling after being in a Stedding even if for a brief time.
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However, the shadow that accompanied Ishamael in the early books is an advanced side effect of using the True Power, and I think some of that is coming through the link with Moridin.
That's partly why I think that Moridin could be acting through him somehow.
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Whoa, good catch, oh TCA Queen (missed this the other day, and it has fallen down onto page two, so this is really a bump and me saying "huh. I could see this being true, possibly")
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Can the True Power be drawn through the Choeden Kal?

I didn't think so and Rand used that rather exclusively towards the end.

I figured the shadow was simply a remnant from that one single touchhing
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I don't think he was using it with Ituralde. TP traveling is different than OP traveling. Remember how Ishamael appeared out of thin air in EotW?
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I'd go over the Rand scenes again to see and doublecheck stuff, but I'm lending my book to Bryan Blaire.
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Perhaps one of Callandor's flaws is that it can amplify TP as well as Saidin. Wouldn't THAT be fun to watch.

And perhaps Rand will re-seal the Bore with the TP, so there's nothing to taint.

Perhaps i should finish the book and catch up on threads before i theorize.
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Perhaps one of Callandor's flaws is that it can amplify TP as well as Saidin. Wouldn't THAT be fun to watch.

And perhaps Rand will re-seal the Bore with the TP, so there's nothing to taint.

Perhaps i should finish the book and catch up on threads before i theorize.

Frenzy, as always cuts through everything. She deserves an effigy.

That is a ridiculously good guess.

The Dark One would maybe be vulnerable to his own power
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It's like a cosmic "go fuck yourself" moment.

oh, and Perrin is now on the top of my list of who needs to be slapped. With Gawyn a close second.

i'm on Chapter 32. i'm almost there...
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oh, and Perrin is now on the top of my list of who needs to be slapped. With Gawyn a close second.

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Hence why we think the shadow thing is a product of the link with Moridin rather than a product of Rand using the True Power just that once (or maybe a few times, but still).
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The ecstasy line bothered me too. At first I figured it was just the joy of channeling after being in a Stedding even if for a brief time.
I think that Rand's saidin addiction doesn't get enough play. The guy holds on to saidin almost sconstantly, and lives in the void. Being in the stedding sucks for any channeler, to one as addicted to Rand it's gotta be horrible.

I don't think it's possible to channel the True Power without recognizing what it is.
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Rand holds saidin all the time because it's a pain in the ass to seize it, not because he's addicted. Also, he was only in the stedding for a few minutes.
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Rand holds saidin all the time because it's a pain in the ass to seize it, not because he's addicted. Also, he was only in the stedding for a few minutes.
What she said. Besides, wasn't Rand in Far Madding for what seemed like forever and he wasn't freakin' too much, meanwhile, Nynaeve and company were high tailing it to the county line to partake of the saidar crack pipe.
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If he wasn't addicted to begin with he will be pretty soon at the rate he's going.

And I'd be much more confident about posting this if I had my copy of tDR handy, but doesn't the whole dimming of the lights bit happen at the very end, when Rand names the Dark One? In The Gathering Storm I took it as a sign that he's had the DO's attention pretty much constantly ever since he touched the True Power, almost as if he were screaming "Shai'tan!" from the rooftops every few minutes.
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Well every channeler is addicted, but its a matter of degree. What did Moggy say? A very strong will could hold down the urge to draw on the One Power, but she didn't think a will existed strong enough to hold down the urge to draw the True Power.

So an addiction, albeit, a semi-controllable one.
 

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