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I hope he takes as long as he needs to make it as good as tGS, which in my opinion is one of the best books in the entire series.
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Q: So…Memory of Light was supposed to be book 12 and the last book…will you split them up again?

[Brandon, to the wide smiles of all who heard, said definitively]
BS: Fourteen is it!
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Well, RJ frequently said "at least three more books".
Looks like BS is starting to come around to upholding that tradition.
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On the one hand, I love the WoT series, and so if BS decides to split Towers of Midnight up into two books, thereby giving us even more WoT books, that would be great.

On the other hand, it creates a danger of getting another "Crossroads of Twilight" type book where nothing happens in the book, and minor plots muck round for ages and nothing is resolved.

If the book does need to be split, I hope BS does what he did in tGS: Chooses a couple of plotlines to focus on and majorly advances them in each of the split books. Because the mistake RJ made in CoT was to try to advance all the plotlines just a little bit... and that was a big fail.
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Maybe I should start reading GRRM. I was waiting until he finished the series, but geez...I'll be 34 next month and I'd like to finish both this and WoT someday.
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Maybe I should start reading GRRM. I was waiting until he finished the series, but geez...I'll be 34 next month and I'd like to finish both this and WoT someday.
I've had A Game Of Thrones on my "to do" list for about 4 years....My wife has read them and loves them but I always seem to put it off...the book is actually sitting beside my bed but something else always gets my attention.

Anyone know if they're worth it?
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I've had A Game Of Thrones on my "to do" list for about 4 years....My wife has read them and loves them but I always seem to put it off...the book is actually sitting beside my bed but something else always gets my attention.

Anyone know if they're worth it?
This is, of course, subjective, but I enjoyed the beginning of the series... but it peters out and weakens... while I have decided it is isn't big pile of garbage as Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth series... almost... but nothing can be as large and steamingly rancid as Terry Goodkind.

so no, I do not think it is worth it.
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This is, of course, subjective, but I enjoyed the beginning of the series... but it peters out and weakens... while I have decided it is isn't big pile of garbage as Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth series... almost... but nothing can be as large and steamingly rancid as Terry Goodkind.

so no, I do not think it is worth it.
I disagree. The last book is not as good as the first three, but the first three are as good as anything I"ve ever read, and the third is still what I would call "good". The problem is that GRRM seems completely unmotivated to finish the latest book. It was rumored to be close to done in late 2006 and now there's still no end in site. And he's been going 5 years between volumes anyway, so you're looking at another 10-15 years for the series to end.

But it's my second favorite fantasy series, and it's close.

EDIT: I do agree that Terry Goodkind is unfiltered crap.
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I've had A Game Of Thrones on my "to do" list for about 4 years....My wife has read them and loves them but I always seem to put it off...the book is actually sitting beside my bed but something else always gets my attention.

Anyone know if they're worth it?

All I can say is this: I HATE George R. R. Martin.

Because the books are brutal, tragic, the people I like die and suffer and fail and fall. But the biggest reason I hate that man is: In spite of all this horror, I'm mesmerized. I can't stop reading this doom, gloom, death, and destruction, I must have more.

GRRM will turn you into a masochist, and there's nothing you can do to prevent it.



edit: Honestly, you will read GRRM eventually because he took mainstream, popular fantasy away from the epic struggle or the polished wish fulfillment common over the last decade, and brought it back down to earth. GRRM says that magic, if real, won't save you, won't change your life for the better, won't prevent war or cure disease, and, most importantly, won't change human nature.

RJ's work is pretty optomistic, and his tragic story arcs are rare. There's a hope throughout the series that things'll work out in the end. Martin doesn't even let you keep that hope alive. At least he didn't for me.
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I'd say mistborn series is great.

I'm trying the Malazan book of the fallen series now. Bit slow through the first part of book 1 though haha. I just went on amazon to try and find new books to buy time for BS to finish the next book.
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Obviously this might be the wrong spot for this, but since the topic came up.
I highly recommend Memory, Sorrow and Thorn by Tad Williams. An excellent series and the first book (the dragonbone chair) is one of my favourites.

Malazan is also very good.
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This is, of course, subjective, but I enjoyed the beginning of the series... but it peters out and weakens... while I have decided it is isn't big pile of garbage as Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth series... almost... but nothing can be as large and steamingly rancid as Terry Goodkind.

so no, I do not think it is worth it.
GRRM series is excellent but it is extremely annoying that he isn't moving it along.

TG is total crap.

There is an excellent series called Chung Kuo by David Wingrove. Very difficult to get your hands on. It is SciFi.

I also enjoy LE Modestt. Both the Corean series and the Recluce books.

And there is always Ringworld. Love the Larry Nivan.
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Stop being a drama queen. If they decide to split it one more book (which I doubt - they probably should, but they probably won't), we'll still get the conclusion of WoT in 3 more years. I agree with Tercel - more books=better. I doubt there will be another Crossroads-type book even if they split it further.
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Anyone know if they're worth it?
They are absolutely brilliant and awesome books...however, GRRM will likely never finish the series so its somethign to be very wary about starting. I remember reading Game of Thrones when it first came out (it had a great endorsement from RJ on the back cover) and I thought it was wonderful.

They're very dark though...nothing like WoT.
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I really hope he doesn't split the book. I'd be okay with a larger than normal ToM (say as big as FoH or tSR). I dont want another 3 books.
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I don't think he was hinting at splitting the book. I think he was just bracing us for the possibility that it might not be out by November. tGS was long, but it wasn't impossibly long. ToM could be 75,000-100,000 words longer and still fit in one volume. It would be huge, but it would fit.
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Obviously this might be the wrong spot for this, but since the topic came up.
I just read Banewreaker by Jacqueline Carey, which was pretty good (pt 1 of a 2 part series).
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More books would most likely piss me off. But I agree that he is probably hinting more at the book not being released on time than splitting them again.
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