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Smile What Siuan told the Aes Sedai in Salidar concerning Logain in FoH

First of all, I've read until book 10 (including) and before I started 11 I wanted to reread the series so don't be worried about spoiling something (unless it occurs after the 10th book!).

In Fires of Heaven when Siuan and Leane first arrive at Salidar with Logain, they tell them all about what happened with Logain and the Red Ajah - that they purposefully guided him to become a false dragon just to take him down (more or less).
But I remember getting the impression that Siuan made the story up just to set the Aes Sedai in Salidar against Elaida. Is that true? or did I misunderstand?


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First of all, I've read until book 10 (including) and before I started 11 I wanted to reread the series so don't be worried about spoiling something (unless it occurs after the 10th book!).

In Fires of Heaven when Siuan and Leane first arrive at Salidar with Logain, they tell them all about what happened with Logain and the Red Ajah - that they purposefully guided him to become a false dragon just to take him down (more or less).
But I remember getting the impression that Siuan made the story up just to set the Aes Sedai in Salidar against Elaida. Is that true? or did I misunderstand?


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I suppose that you could argue that she both made up the story, or that she co-opted and adapted something that Rand had told her back in tGH:

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"No, Mother. I can channel, the Light help me, but I am not Raolin Darksbane, nor Guaire Amalasan, nor Yurian Stonebow. You can gentle me, or kill me, or let me go, but I will not be a tame false Dragon on a Tar Valon leash.
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First of all, I've read until book 10 (including) and before I started 11 I wanted to reread the series so don't be worried about spoiling something (unless it occurs after the 10th book!).

In Fires of Heaven when Siuan and Leane first arrive at Salidar with Logain, they tell them all about what happened with Logain and the Red Ajah - that they purposefully guided him to become a false dragon just to take him down (more or less).
But I remember getting the impression that Siuan made the story up just to set the Aes Sedai in Salidar against Elaida. Is that true? or did I misunderstand?
Siuan also may have been using a bit of the story that Joiya told the girls in Tear about the Black Ajah's alleged plans to free Mazrim Taim and set him up as the Dragon Reborn. Moiraine supposedly sent warnings to Siuan in case the plot was true, and that was about two weeks or so before Siuan was deposed. She did hear from Moiraine that Rand had taken the Stone, so some messages were received. So, it is possible if the message ever reached Siuan that she heard of the Taim plot and used a fragment in building Logain's story.

Even if Siuan didn't hear about that plot, though, she and Moiraine knew something of the Vileness after the Aiel War related to the Reds gentling on the spot men who could channel (and of course Siuan and Moiraine also knew that the Black Ajah was hunting for Rand around the same time). The names that she fed to Logain - Javindhra, Barasine, Elaida - may have been names that Siuan pulled from her knowledge about the Reds' actions during the Vileness. We know for certain that Elaida was involved, if only to a minor degree. These might be some of the same names of Reds that Moiraine promised to give to Thom when she next sees him.
 

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