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Re: Mesaana. People have been misquoting me a lot on this one. Early in the tour someone claimed to have a quote where RJ said that her alter ego hadn't been seen. This shocked me, since I thought she had been. I have been waiting until I got home to check it out. The only thing official I have said is that someone claimed RJ said on the Knife of Dreams tour that she hadn't been seen, and can say nothing until I am off tour and can research old RJ interviews to find if I've missed something. I think it likely the person was mixed up. (later) Word from Maria: RJ said we HAVE seen Mesaana's alter ego on screen. That's good. The guy from DC had me worried. I thought I'd known from the notes exactly who Mesaana was, and that she has been on screen...
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Also that Maria confirmed that Mesaana's alter ego *HAS* been seen onscreen!

*Note that this is what I said in my report, that Brandon was told that this was the case from someone he considered a reliable source (he did not say who). But that I would have to look up the quote to be sure.
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Also that Maria confirmed that Mesaana's alter ego *HAS* been seen onscreen!
That is in the quote I gave.

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*Note that this is what I said in my report, that Brandon was told that this was the case from someone he considered a reliable source (he did not say who). But that I would have to look up the quote to be sure.
Well, what made it confusing is that he went on to disqualify Laras based on her being in New Spring. So here we are thinking, jeez, he's writing the books, so surely he knows if she's been seen on screen before Knife of Dreams, right? lol....but anyway, it's thankfully cleared up now.

The Gathering Storm Book Tour, Borders Dallas 14 November 2009 - Claireducky reporting

Claire: Is Laras Mesaana?
Brandon: RJ once stated that Mesaana had not been seen on screen in her assumed identity yet as of the end of Knife of Dreams. (he didn't want to say if she had been seen on screen in The Gathering Storm, because he didn't want to limit good discussion)
Brandon: And we see Laras in New Spring.
Muirenn and Az: But is the Laras in New Spring is the same as the Laras we see now?
Brandon: *laughs* RAFO.

The Gathering Storm Book Tour, Dallas Borders 14 November 2009 - Aubree Pham reporting

Regarding Mesaana's alter ego: Brandon said that he had been sent a reliable quote from a Jordan interview that she wasn't anyone we had seen 'on screen' as of Knife of Dreams (? he may have said Crossroads of Twilight? I need to find the quote). Specifically, he said that Laras has been around since New Spring. And would not say if Mesaana was 'on screen' as her alter ego in The Gathering Storm, because he doesn't want to limit good discussion.

The Gathering Storm Book Tour, Toadstool Book Shop, Milford NH 7 November 2009 - Meg Lurvey reporting


Q. Has Mesaana’s alter ego been seen yet “on stage”? [I suspect the fan that asked this is one of the Blues I mentioned earlier, though she may be a Brown, too.]
A. “I’m afraid I’m going to have to RAFO that.” Any yes/no would set all the fans, especially on the message boards and fans into figuring it out by process of elimination. The crowd pressed him for hints, and he did confirm that she is still in the White Tower. This statement was met with speculative “oohhh”’s and pensive looks as new theories were born then and there.
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Oh, believe me, we were all stunned at dinner!

And as a side note, I'm not willing to give Brandon any flak for not-quite-right answers at signings. He's only had the material for two years, and he is trying to refer the more difficult/convoluted/plotsy questions to Maria.

It is very cool how much more comfortable he is answering questions now that he was at D*Con last year!
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Oh, I'm not giving him any flak either. I just wanted to clear up the misunderstanding before the tour was done. Glad that was accomplished. We still need to clear up the Cyndane thing that just came out of AZ, though - he said that Cyndane was 'very weak', but Graendal says in The Path of Daggers chapter 12 that Cyndane is, while weaker than Lanfear was, still stronger than her. Actually, the weaker than Lanfear was bit came from another book, but you know what I mean....
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That wasn't directed at you specifically, more of a caveat emptor. I've seen a lot of really mean posts on DM & TV.net about simple misspeaks or typos, and I really don't want that to start up here too.

The Cyndane thing is another good example. I waiting to get more info on that one, too.
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I have a feeling that whoever sent the information to Brandon got his/her wires crossed. RJ has been quoted as saying that Demandred's alter ego has never been seen on screen, but I've never seen anything stated like that for Mesaana. Otherwise, we would never have any threads speculating about Mesaana.
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Perhaps this is Demandred?
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The only thing I dislike is that he seems to give much more RAFO's than Jordan did, especially on things I think Jordan would have given more of an answer on. Maybe he is scared at giving us to much.
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The only thing I dislike is that he seems to give much more RAFO's than Jordan did, especially on things I think Jordan would have given more of an answer on. Maybe he is scared at giving us to much.
Wut? It's the opposite... BS gives quite a bit more away than RJ ever did...
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Hmmm...going to post this in this thread as well and delete it from the other thread. It fits better in this one:
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Okay, time to post about Cyndane for you theorylanders. I have been discussing with Maria all day. She and I have different opinions on......some things in the notes, but she has convinced me that she is right. I believed that there were some...issues with her power level. [such as?] Dark one playing tricks to keep everyone guessing. But Maria convinced me her power really is what it seems. So you can disregard my...My comment about her being really really weak and stick with the word I used earlier. "weakened." This is what you get for asking about things that we are still picking apart the notes regarding.. You know I love you, theorylanders. (Even if I sometimes feel like I'm surrounded by a pack of wolves when talking to you.)
So...good remarks about TLers all around. Though maybe we should enlighten him as to our true name of HCFF? >_>
That said, we're back where we were about Cyndane. So...good? Bad? yay? boo?
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I'm glad to be back where we were about Cyndane. However, Brandon's confusion leads me to wonder if perhaps she wasn't actually stilled and then Healed. Part of the argument against that has always been that she is only somewhat weaker than she was before, rather than significantly weaker like Siuan and Leane. But if she was stilled and then Healed, then that might explain why Brandon thought she was 'really, really weak'.
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I'm glad to be back where we were about Cyndane. However, Brandon's confusion leads me to wonder if perhaps she wasn't actually stilled and then Healed. Part of the argument against that has always been that she is only somewhat weaker than she was before, rather than significantly weaker like Siuan and Leane. But if she was stilled and then Healed, then that might explain why Brandon thought she was 'really, really weak'.
I'm a bit more curious as to the Dark One line...
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However, Brandon's confusion leads me to wonder if perhaps she wasn't actually stilled and then Healed. Part of the argument against that has always been that she is only somewhat weaker than she was before, rather than significantly weaker like Siuan and Leane. But if she was stilled and then Healed, then that might explain why Brandon thought she was 'really, really weak'.
Well, the other part is her new body. Never thought about this before...what if Lanfear's new look is a Mask of Mirrors of sorts made by the True Power, more a permanent new look for Lanfear's betrayal? A joke of sorts and her diminished power is just from the stilling/healing...

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has a bit more to it...why would he have thought that was why Cyndane was so much weaker? How could the DO play tricks like that? Why would this make her "Very very weak" rather than just "Somewhat weaker"?
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Wut? It's the opposite... BS gives quite a bit more away than RJ ever did...
Its seems like every report or transcript I read is filled with RAFO's that I believe RJ would have answered differently. For instance:

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A. “I’m afraid I’m going to have to RAFO that.” Any yes/no would set all the fans, especially on the message boards and fans into figuring it out by process of elimination. The crowd pressed him for hints, and he did confirm that she is still in the White Tower. This statement was met with speculative “oohhh”’s and pensive looks as new theories were born then and there.
Why RAFO that one, RJ has already answered this with an affirmative. I get the feeling that BS is a little afraid of giving away to much and taking some mystery out whereas RJ would answer with a yes or no and nothing more just to see us squirm.
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I'm glad to be back where we were about Cyndane. However, Brandon's confusion leads me to wonder if perhaps she wasn't actually stilled and then Healed. Part of the argument against that has always been that she is only somewhat weaker than she was before, rather than significantly weaker like Siuan and Leane. But if she was stilled and then Healed, then that might explain why Brandon thought she was 'really, really weak'.
True, what exactly happened to Lanfear fighting Moiraine after entering into the Eelfinn's world? Why did Lanfear need a new body, and a new name Cyndane, to go along with a bit less strength in the One Power? And assuming she died there (which I do), how does the Dark One or one of his associates bring the dead back to life in a new body? Is the dead bought back to life, in a still severed state? And healed after the fact? So does Cyndane power level, point to healing by another unknown Female Channeler, a Chosen, rather than a Male Channeler?

Brandon did include at least one reference to Lanfear in tGS by Mat:

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And...maybe one was. Lanfear had fallen through that same portal. Burn him, what would he do if he found her there? Would he really rescue her as well?
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I'm glad to be back where we were about Cyndane. However, Brandon's confusion leads me to wonder if perhaps she wasn't actually stilled and then Healed. Part of the argument against that has always been that she is only somewhat weaker than she was before, rather than significantly weaker like Siuan and Leane. But if she was stilled and then Healed, then that might explain why Brandon thought she was 'really, really weak'.
Perhaps we can get an answer by asking if healing by the same gender results in a proportional loss or a fixed loss. In other words, is it:

Old Siuan (20) -> New Siuan (20/2 = 10)

Or

Old Siuan (20) -> New Siuan (20-10 = 10)

If it's a fixed loss, then we can make more sense of Cyndane:

Lanfear (60) -> Cyndane (60-10 = 50)
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Hmm, well....Siuan was pretty strong before - only one notch below Cadsuane, who is one notch below Egwene, who is one notch below Nynaeve, who is, apparently, one notch above Mesaana.
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I think that this: has a bit more to it...why would he have thought that was why Cyndane was so much weaker? How could the DO play tricks like that? Why would this make her "Very very weak" rather than just "Somewhat weaker"?
Well, the DO may have done to Lanfear/Cyndane what she herself had done to Asmodean: attach a partial shield that lets some Power through, but not more than intended.

Interesting question to ponder: if Asmodean had wanted to, could he have managed to burn himself out?
I think not, though I have too little data to really support that idea.
 


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