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Old 09-11-2010, 09:44 AM
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This is an incredibly shitty thing for you to post Ivhon. No matter your disdain for those who take advantage of things like 9-11 for their own gain, its still a day in which 3000 people died. You might as well have found one of their head stones and taken a piss on it. Show some goddamn respect. What you've posted here makes you no better than the people you are criticizing because all your doing is using it to score cheap political points. And that is the height of moral narcicism.
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How many wolves are on this t-shirt? If it's not at least two I won't be buying one.
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Yes Ivon, don't you realize that we live in a post 9-11 world where everything must be taken seriously, no matter how wrongheaded and idiotic?
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Without at least 3 wolves, the t-shirt is powerless. Trust me, I bought a 2 wolves t-shirt a few weeks ago and its useless.





This is my favorite of what Ivhon is referencing.
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Yes Tam...Yes it is. You've never seen that infomercial before? It used to be on all the time late at night a few years back.

Pretty sick, isn't it?
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This is an incredibly shitty thing for you to post Ivhon. No matter your disdain for those who take advantage of things like 9-11 for their own gain, its still a day in which 3000 people died. You might as well have found one of their head stones and taken a piss on it. Show some goddamn respect. What you've posted here makes you no better than the people you are criticizing because all your doing is using it to score cheap political points. And that is the height of moral narcicism.
You're very emotional.

Read my post again and tell me where I profane the actual event, the people who died or their families or friends. I took shots at people - from all political spectrums, btw - who live in east bumble***** have zero connection to NYC or anyone living there beyond the 24 hour news cycle and yet feel compelled every year to let the world know how much of a personal tragedy it was in their lives while never saying anything about any other tragedies. Presumably if they are so resonant with tragedy that has no direct impact on their personal lives they would be pouring their hearts out every year in rememberance of Katrina, or the Tsunami, or the Federal building, or God knows an constant outpouring of heartfelt tragedy over the bombs and missiles that destroy buildings and innocent people on a daily basis in the Middle East.

Perhaps you and I simply differ on what constitutes pissing on the tombstones.
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You want to take shots at people like that? Fine. Do it some other day. Otherwise you're not better than any of them because your using today to your advantage to push your political agenda without any thought to those afore mentioned victims or their families. That is where you profaned their memory and their pain. Its not about what you said, but when you decided to say it. This, like Pearl Harbor day or MLK day, or Presidents Day before it, should be a national day of remembrance for what this country has had to sacrifice to get where it is today. It should not be taken advantage of by political hacks to give them an opportunity to snipe at their enemies. And yes Ivhon, I'm looking directly at you when I say that.
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You want to take shots at people like that? Fine. Do it some other day. Otherwise you're not better than any of them because your using today to your advantage to push your political agenda without any thought to those afore mentioned victims or their families. That is where you profaned their memory and their pain. Its not about what you said, but when you decided to say it. This, like Pearl Harbor day or MLK day, or Presidents Day before it, should be a national day of remembrance for what this country has had to sacrifice to get where it is today. It should not be taken advantage of by political hacks to give them an opportunity to snipe at their enemies. And yes Ivhon, I'm looking directly at you when I say that.
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Ivhon's got the right of it here, IMNSHO. People have to be able to separate the idiots who abuse 9/11 from the day itself. And complaining about those people doesn't lessen Ivhon's respect for the event any more than a cop who pulls a speeder over today would. And 90% of America who acts patriotic today is fake anyways, it's the patriotic equivalent of organized religion for a day.
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Seriously. The collapse of the towers was just as tragic yesterday and it will be just as tragic tomorrow.
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This is an incredibly shitty thing for you to post Ivhon. No matter your disdain for those who take advantage of things like 9-11 for their own gain, its still a day in which 3000 people died. You might as well have found one of their head stones and taken a piss on it. Show some goddamn respect. What you've posted here makes you no better than the people you are criticizing because all your doing is using it to score cheap political points. And that is the height of moral narcicism.

How is his post a "political point"?


BTW, your faux outrage is a bit over the top.
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Sinistrum, you want to see a difference between what Ivhon wrote and really showing disdain?

A grand total of one (count them, 1) person died in those attacks. All the others are irrelevant. You may wonder how I reach that count?
Well, first of all, it happened on US soil. Second, the US courts have decided that according to US law, non-US citizens are not persons as the US Constitution meeans the term. Now, as you know, I am a Dutch citizen, not an American one. So, for me, only humans from the Netherlands would deserve the honorific "person".

Don't like that? Quite a nice, liberal, sentiment. Think it is cheapening the deaths of all those victims? You are damn right about that. But that is what the American voters, and particularly the right wing (the majority, I admit) have decided: they have chosen to side with the terrorists and oppose liberty and justice for all. That is the real legacy of 9/11.
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A bonus question to the story in the link of my previous post:
Which other countries should be allowed to get away with "national security is involved, so human rights do not matter", and for which countries would you consider that unacceptable?

I would say that no country at all has the right to ignore the "right not to be tortured", the "right not to be kidnapped" and the "right to be heard in court when the government has wronged you".
But, referring to 9/11 and the memories of the victims thereof, lots of countries are now saying that the Western freedoms are less important than letting the government do whatever it wants to do in secret.
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What?

EDIT: Oh, that's a list of things that have been sacrificed, is it? I have no idea what that has to do with my point but OK.
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