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Does Ganoes Paran reappear in any later books after he and onearm's host disappear in the seven cities?
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Only briefly, when someone...can't remember who...contacted him via some magic method or another. Well, I haven't read DoD yet. I need to do that soon...

I remember hearing a rumor he wouldn't be seen again, and that the ending had nothing to do with him, but that makes no sense really...
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If you really want me to spoil it for you, he is alluded to many times in DoD but he doesn't show up. I'd really like him to be there at the end, but we'll have to wait and see
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IIRC there was a quote from Erikson saying that not all loose threads would be gathered up in the last book(and considering the sheer amount of them it would be impossible). and I got a feeling that Paran might be one of them.

then again he's also said he and Esselmont will write more side-novels, so all hope is not lost.

hopefully we'll find out what Silverfox used the T'lan Imass for too some day.
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question #2: does each book just ditch everything that happened in the previous one?

I'm now 140 pages into book 2. While book 1 ended quite interestingly after all (and he managed to get over his own pretentiousness. Either that or I stopped caring about his preening in the foreword) and I managed to get my hopes up for the rest of the series... book 2 so far... well, it sucks, it's all back to square 1. I paid good money for that lug of paper so I keep hoping it'll get better. But seriously starting to wonder if I should bother at all
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I'm now 140 pages into book 2. While book 1 ended quite interestingly after all (and he managed to get over his own pretentiousness. Either that or I stopped caring about his preening in the foreword) and I managed to get my hopes up for the rest of the series... book 2 so far... well, it sucks, it's all back to square 1. I paid good money for that lug of paper so I keep hoping it'll get better. But seriously starting to wonder if I should bother at all
I found the same with deadhouse gate. The third book(memories of ice?, can't remember for sure!) is set at the same time and is a more direct sequel to gardens. Percevere yks, it gets better.
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The first five do sort of jump around but they all tie in together eventually and continue onward generally in sequence from there on. The two (third set to be released around same time as The Crippled God is) Ian C. Esslemont books also fit into the storyline, Knight of Knives is a prequel to the entire series, and Return of the Crimson Guard takes place between Reaper's Gale and Toll the Hounds. There is still some jumping around but not quite as much as between Gardens of the Moon/Deadhouse Gates and then again with Memories of Ice/House of Chains. Daekyras is right, persevere Don't give up. It is worth the hassle of struggling through Deadhouse Gates.
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I remember hearing a rumor he wouldn't be seen again, and that the ending had nothing to do with him, but that makes no sense really...
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question #2: does each book just ditch everything that happened in the previous one?

I'm now 140 pages into book 2. While book 1 ended quite interestingly after all (and he managed to get over his own pretentiousness. Either that or I stopped caring about his preening in the foreword) and I managed to get my hopes up for the rest of the series... book 2 so far... well, it sucks, it's all back to square 1. I paid good money for that lug of paper so I keep hoping it'll get better. But seriously starting to wonder if I should bother at all

I loved book 2. Coltaine is my hero! I hear a lot of people say how much they hated it but it's one of my favorites. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.

I skipped the Esselmont books...should I go get them?
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I liked the end of book 2. The rest of it sucked.

I'm trying to read ROTCG right now. Night of Knives was...kinda like reading YA. But for all that, it's easy to read.
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I recommend them at least.

and Coltaine is pretty awesome.

as for Deadhouse Gates I remember being a bit pissed off that it seemed to just start all over, but after a while I started enjoying all the new characters as much as the old ones. had the same problem with House of Chains, but got over that too pretty quickly.
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and Coltaine is pretty awesome.

as for Deadhouse Gates I remember being a bit pissed off that it seemed to just start all over, but after a while I started enjoying all the new characters as much as the old ones. had the same problem with House of Chains, but got over that too pretty quickly.
well, seeing as I had a problem identifying with any of the characters in book 1 until about 100 pages before the end... *sigh*. I am somewhat more intrigued by some of the characters in book 2 though.

There are some things that... the historian being the only one to pick up on the aim of the military practices - lame! man, that stuff was so obvious. There were a few more things but not sure if they are/were spoilers or not.
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There are some things that... the historian being the only one to pick up on the aim of the military practices - lame! man, that stuff was so obvious. There were a few more things but not sure if they are/were spoilers or not.
Duiker is an ex-soldier though. IIRC he pretty much got forced into becoming a historian by one of the old guard. can't remember which of them though
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irrelevant. A 6-year old could have picked up the purpose of those drills. And yet, a cadre mage and the entire officers corps didn't??? wtf?

*sigh* frankly, those Malazans got what they set in motion themselves. Don't occupy places you morons! Or if you do occupy places, please be aware that the indigenous population might be a tad bit pissed off and probably will retaliate.
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well. it's been a while since I read DG, but while I wouldn't enter any longterm relationship with her I did find her well-written

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I'm now 140 pages into book 2. While book 1 ended quite interestingly after all (and he managed to get over his own pretentiousness. Either that or I stopped caring about his preening in the foreword) and I managed to get my hopes up for the rest of the series... book 2 so far... well, it sucks, it's all back to square 1. I paid good money for that lug of paper so I keep hoping it'll get better. But seriously starting to wonder if I should bother at all
Over at the MalazanEmpire.com forums, the common response is, "the timeline doesn't matter."

For the most part, things have an order, but Erikson himself has said that readers shouldn't get caught up wondering which event happened when. I think each book internally is fine, but there are some known inconsistencies between books and historically.

YKS, I don't remember exactly when, but some familiar characters do show up again. Every time I think about rereading DG, I think to myself, "blech...the Chain of Dog is so grueling and boring." Then I start rereading it and realize it's not. Most of all, SE's books hold up better on rereads than those of almost any other author.
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you know, I think so far Felisin's my favourite in this book. Talk about Stockholm syndrome plus incredible naivete plus extreme paranoia Not a necessarily likeable character, but best written of the bunch.

But, we'll see, not even halfway thought yet.

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Over at the MalazanEmpire.com forums, the common response is, "the timeline doesn't matter."

For the most part, things have an order, but Erikson himself has said that readers shouldn't get caught up wondering which event happened when. I think each book internally is fine, but there are some known inconsistencies between books and historically.

YKS, I don't remember exactly when, but some familiar characters do show up again. Every time I think about rereading DG, I think to myself, "blech...the Chain of Dog is so grueling and boring." Then I start rereading it and realize it's not. Most of all, SE's books hold up better on rereads than those of almost any other author.
well... It's not the timeline so much as the characters. That's basically what makes or breaks the book for me: if I'm not interested in the characters, what's the point of reading. In book 1 the only one that was even remotely interesting to me was Tattersail and we know what happened to her in that book. Although, towards the end, Kruppe was also becoming somewhat interesting.

I'm guessing that lots of people like the Sorry/Apsalar character? I find her... barely there. Even when she gets screen-time (so to speak), she's just flat. No expression, no emotion, no intrigue - She doesn't even propel the story on.
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It's been a couple years since I read the first 3 Malazan books. Now I am having trouble remembering what happened in each book. The plot did seem a bit spastic, to be honest. I'm not going to continue with the series until it's finished.

That said, I found the completely different stories in each book refreshing. You learn early on that any one storyline might just drop off the face of the earth, so you can't really invest yourself into any particular one. It makes it a more enjoyable, easy read that's full of surprises.
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