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Well, I figured, since there doesn't appear to be any thread on The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever, and subsequent Chronicles (Second Chronicles and Last Chronicles), I figured I'd start one.

I started reading Stephen R. Donaldson's books before WoT, and I must say, at the time, they were my favourite fantasy series (then I picked up tEotW, and the story ends there ).

Just recently (actually, on the 29th of October), I picked up the most recent book from the Last Chronicles (I'd been waiting for it longer than any of the aMoL books) and I've been reading it since.

It isn't long (far shorter than ToM) but I'm still enjoying it. Reading this book reminds me of the first time I picked up a Stephen R. Donaldson book, and it reminded me how much I enjoy reading his books.

The only downside to the book is the constant angst of the main character in this newer series. It really grates on me. But I'm managing to get through it, and hope to finish the book within the next few days (school and work permitting).

Anywho, just figured I should mention the books (Against All Things Ending, the newest book, came out on the 19th of October). Has anybody else read Donaldson's books? Or any others by him? If so, did you like/dislike/couldn't care less for them?
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I have read most of his books, though I still have to read some from the Last Chronicles.
Some of his short stories are also good (some less so; he's not really a master of shortness). The Mordant's Need series is quite good, though short. The Gap series is rather good science fiction.
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I remember reading Mordant's Need and really enjoying it. I also really enjoyed The Regal Daughter (or something like that). I have a collection of his short stories at home, somewhere.
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Daughter of Regals. That's the best one of his short stories, in my opinion. It is also the title of that bundle of short stories.
I think I'll reread it, now that I finished ToM.
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That's it! Thank you.

I think I'll reread them as well. At least as soon as I'm able to. *grumbles under breath* Stupid papers and reading for school...

But yeah, and I think one of the most terrifying short stories not by Stephen King I've ever read was the one about the Worm, in that collection. I got scared reading it (especially considering I was reading it at night, before going to sleep :$).
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Yep, I've been a Covenant follower for the last... fifteen years? The Last Chronicles is one of the few series I've been buying on the release date these days.

Not quite sure how I felt about Against All Things Ending, though. The Runes of the Earth really felt like classic Covenant to me, and seemed to flow very naturally from the first two trilogies, and I enjoyed Fatal Revenant quite a lot as well. But, and keeping things vague since you seem to have not finished, the latest book seems to have a lot more stress on aspects of the Land and the world at large that I don't think were ever mentioned in previous series - I think it really hurt the organic feel of the continuity from the previous series. We shall have to see how it all ties up in the end.

That said - I also finally got around to reading the Gap series last year, and I loved it. Mordant's Need left me kind of cold, though - despite being written after the first Covenant books, it felt to me like a much earlier effort. Maybe Donaldson wrote it first, but it got published after the success of the Covenant books?
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I'm currently past She Who Must Not Be Named. I agree that it doesn't feel as true to the series(es?) Even in Runes of the Earth, I found it odd, but that's because we were reading from Linden's pov, which hadn't really happened prior to Covenant's death in the Second Chronicles.

Nevertheless, I am enjoying it, just because of the nostalgia that it is giving me (well, not ONLY the nostalgia ).

I'm hoping that it'll all tie up in the end. So far, it seems that nothing's really happened in the book. I know, where I'm at now, only a day has passed, but still, there's more of Linden feeling sorry for herself than anything of real import (in my opinion) occurring.
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If you're that far, I'll also mention the Insequent. The couple we saw in the first two books were alright, but this one just kicked off with too much focus on them for my tastes.
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The only Insequent I really remember from the past books was the Mahdoubt. Of course, I haven't read them in a while, so maybe I should have read them before reading AATE. Still, the Insequent, right now, I find play too big a role in the book. So far.
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The only Insequent I really remember from the past books was the Mahdoubt. Of course, I haven't read them in a while, so maybe I should have read them before reading AATE. Still, the Insequent, right now, I find play too big a role in the book. So far.
Well, in Fatal Revenant,
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~ the Harrow shows up and eats the Demondim outside Revelstone, tries to steal Linden's soul, and then shows up in Andelain at the end
~ Linden, Jeremiah, and Covenant meet and travel with the Theomach, who ends up running off with Berek Halfhand and eventually becoming the Guardian of the One Tree
~ the Vizard is mentioned several times as an Insequent who wanted to use Jeremiah's powers to trap the Elohim for all time

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Ah, I remember the Theomach and said adventure.

Now that I think about it, the only reason I really remembered the Mahdoubt was because of the name - and I'm pretty sure she's the first Insequent we meet. I'm probably wrong, but that's what I remember.
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Now that I think about it, the only reason I really remembered the Mahdoubt was because of the name - and I'm pretty sure she's the first Insequent we meet. I'm probably wrong, but that's what I remember.
No, that's correct. The question is, if the Insequent are so bloody interested in the world at large, why didn't we see any of them in the first two series? Answer: Donaldson hadn't invented them yet. Just not very satisfying from a storytelling perspective, is all.
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Very true. You'd think that, seeing as the series are doing so well, Donaldson wouldn't risk presenting new characters in the Land (even though it's obvious we haven't seen absolutely everybody in the Land, no matter how much time is spent there).

Well, it's too late now.
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My mother loves the series... I liked the first book, but couldnt handle it after that, that being said it was almost 10 years ago so maybe I'll give it another shot. I just ordered the new book for mom for Xmas
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My mother loves the series... I liked the first book, but couldnt handle it after that, that being said it was almost 10 years ago so maybe I'll give it another shot. I just ordered the new book for mom for Xmas
I found the first book the heaviest - there was a reason my dad hadn't let me read the books until later in my life (by later I mean when I was 13 - I wanted to read them earlier, like at the age of 10).

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i read thomas covenant when i was 13. I have to admit i wasn't old or mature enough to deal with some of the issues raised.

I re_read it later on; maybe 5 years later and enjoyed it. i must admit that certain thimgs the main character does are unforgivable and i know some people who can't read it to this day.

I recommend the books but be prepared to really hate your main protaagonist!
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Oh definitely. I think that I was also still too immature at 13 to have read (at least Lord Foul's Bane) and fully comprehend what was going on and the reasoning behind it. Now that I'm older, I can appreciate the way that Donaldson wrote the books, even though some of the scenes are still difficult to get through.
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I really liked how Donaldson developed Covenant over time.

Linden, not so much. As I continue the book, she gets more and more pathetic. Sure, she's human, but still...

Maybe I've just read too much RJ, and I'm expecting too much (which is why I never finished the Sword of Truth series, but I digress).
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Linden, not so much. As I continue the book, she gets more and more pathetic. Sure, she's human, but still...
I can definitely concur with that. It's my other main gripe with the most recent book.
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