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I know at least a couple of people here have read this series. Every once in a while I would check to find an update about what she is doing. Well, she finally finished that last book. It is coming out March, only 9 years after the last book.
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that's excellent news! even though I was slightly disappointed after the last book... so many pages, so little story advancement. Then again, I've been trying to re-read the series (got as far as book 4, then got interrupted by Potter re-read) and I've got to say, reading them again there is actually quite a lot of story advancement... so maybe I was unfair to be disappointed... we'll see. In any case, awesome news!
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Very good.

Now I'm wondering whether she'll write another series, and how long that's gonna take.
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that's excellent news! even though I was slightly disappointed after the last book... so many pages, so little story advancement. Then again, I've been trying to re-read the series (got as far as book 4, then got interrupted by Potter re-read) and I've got to say, reading them again there is actually quite a lot of story advancement... so maybe I was unfair to be disappointed... we'll see. In any case, awesome news!
LOL - exactly my opinion of the last book. Terrible. I feel like printing that stupid song alone time after time took up about 100 pages that could have gone towards development. And the sex wasn't even that great. It got a big m'eh from me. But, I'll still read the next one!
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...And the sex wasn't even that great. It got a big m'eh from me.
The sex in the Earth's Children series has always struck me as gratuitous. It's nice to know that ancient humans engaged in and enjoyed sex, but it's not necessary to go into that much detail.

Overall, the series is interesting, but each successive book has seemed more and more contrived -- there's simply too much advancement for one character's lifetime.
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The sex in the Earth's Children series has always struck me as gratuitous. It's nice to know that ancient humans engaged in and enjoyed sex, but it's not necessary to go into that much detail.

Overall, the series is interesting, but each successive book has seemed more and more contrived -- there's simply too much advancement for one character's lifetime.
Well, I'll admit to the fact that almost everything I learned about sex prior to actually getting some was from these books - gratuitous yes, for sure. But I was still grateful for the details. LOL (eta: of the nice sex, obvs. Reading the rape scenes at 10 was probably not my smartest moment.)

On a more serious note, I agree completely about the contrivance. I don't think that Auel actually has a plot line. I'm convinced that she doesn't know how the story will end and so fills her books with discoveries, stupid details about limestone geology and that cursed song.
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She tried to make it as scientifically accurate as possible, with the addition of the (admittedly speculative) Neanderthal mental abilities. That worked well, until a bunch of annoying scientists made new discoveries halfway through the series. Then she had to improvise, in order to maintain both accuracy and narrative consistency. If someone hadn't found that song in a deep cave somewhere, I don't know what she would have done.
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It will be great to read the last book finally. The sex does get a bit repetitive between Ayla and Jondalar, but I think it's good it's there. It fits in and sets the mood, I think more books should have sex in them.
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It will be great to read the last book finally. The sex does get a bit repetitive between Ayla and Jondalar, but I think it's good it's there. It fits in and sets the mood, I think more books should have sex in them.
I have no objection to sex in books -- provided it does something to advance the story; which Jane Auel doesn't seem to understand. The sex scenes are mostly about as relevant to the storyline as TV commercials are to soccer matches.
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Then again, if she replaced the sex with a commercial for a wonderful new banking product (available really soon after Ayla invents Currency), would that improve the books?
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*ahem* almost any chicklit *ahem*

I'm just happy it's mostly only between Ayla and Jondalar. Besides, not all of it is gratuitous, quite a lot of it is let's-make-up sex.
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Try walking from Moscow to Lyons in one year, without carrying any type of identification. That'll give you plenty to argue about (though possibly not with each other, admittedly).
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depends. we almost never argue.
yks, if you and ishara ever do have a fight, i am willing to act as a mediator to "help" in your reconcilliation....

Anyway, i don't think the sex in earths children is really warranted. It was an interesting read the first time but it felt too frequent and contained too much detail at times. It felt like a mills and boon novel!
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Anyway, i don't think the sex in earths children is really warranted. It was an interesting read the first time but it felt too frequent and contained too much detail at times. It felt like a mills and boon novel!
Half a dozen times or so in a two year period is too frequent?
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Half a dozen times or so in a two year period is too frequent?
When it interrupts the main narrative, yes. the same frequency or even more could be included by using a "fade to black and then the next morning" technique for the sexual encounters and it wouldn't make the book unsuitable for precocious readers who shouldn't be getting sex-ed quite that graphic yet.
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When it interrupts the main narrative, yes. the same frequency or even more could be included by using a "fade to black and then the next morning" technique for the sexual encounters and it wouldn't make the book unsuitable for precocious readers who shouldn't be getting sex-ed quite that graphic yet.
And why, pray tell me, should they not be educated?

I think that the parts of the series where it is mentioned (more or less) that modern ideas of "keeping it in the bedroom" did not exist during pre-history are fairly accurate. At least, it seems reasonable to assume that even before the invention of the bedroom people had sex. So if you think about it, then you'll realise that the "do not tell the kids" attitude is rather unnatural.
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So if you think about it, then you'll realise that the "do not tell the kids" attitude is rather unnatural.
Unnatural or not, In the US, the Earth's Children series can't be put in the Young Adult section of a library or bookstore or on a list of reccomended reading for children and/or young adults.

The graphic depictions of sex in the series does not IMHO add anything to the narrative that a figurative fade to black that leaves the details to the readers' imagination couldn't accomplish.

"Behind the Bedroom Door" is a literary technique, not a literal refence to bedrooms, doors, houses, bushes, partitions, or anything other than a figure of speech.

I could have used "off camera" just as well, without implying or suggesting that cavemen had invented cameras nad "French Postcards."

The movie made of Clan of the Cave Bear didn't lose any of the story by not filming the sex scenes graphically -- the movie sucked for a lot of other reasons, but at least it wasn't relegated to dingy, dirty, backstreet theaters with sticky floor frequented by strange men wearing nothing but trenchcoats.
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