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Old 03-17-2012, 10:16 AM
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I'm curious about your thoughts on this. As I'm rereading LOC, I've noticed that he doesn't get mentioned by the Dark One and others when dead Forsaken are discussed. Asmodean and Rahvin are both mentioned often, but never Be'lal. Actually, I don't really recall him being mentioned in any of the books after TDR (not positive on this though). Why do you think this might be?
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Because Rahvin and Asmo dying were current events while Be'lal's death was old news at that point. They had already likely discussed it off-screen months before.
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Some people think that Moiraine's Balefire was weak enough that the DO could still grab Be'lal's soul.
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Some people also think Taim is Demandred. It's so precious.

You'll notice that Bathamel, Aginor , and Lanfear are also not mentioned. Probably to not draw attention to the fact that they're not currently dead.

Perhaps nobody acknowledging mentioning Be'lal is because he did the equivalent of tripping over a banana peel. I mean, c'mon, he was killed by a weak little child of a so-called Aes Sedai. How embarrassing is that for the dark side?
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I'm curious about your thoughts on this. As I'm rereading LOC, I've noticed that he doesn't get mentioned by the Dark One and others when dead Forsaken are discussed. Asmodean and Rahvin are both mentioned often, but never Be'lal. Actually, I don't really recall him being mentioned in any of the books after TDR (not positive on this though). Why do you think this might be?
He is mentioned in KOD. "Sammael and Asmodean had to be as dead as Be'lal and Rahvin." - Aran'gar
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Be'lal didn't do anything. He's the least developed of all the Forsaken.
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Well if you count Balthamel and Aran'gar as separate characters then Balthamel is even less developed. But even if you don't you'll have to admit that Be'lal at least managed to get an alter ego unlike Demandred and his High Lord persona was much better than Asmodean's gleeman persona or Moghedien's maid persona.
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Well if you count Balthamel and Aran'gar as separate characters then Balthamel is even less developed.
I disagree. At least we knew ONE thing about Balthamel's personality (he liked the ladies), what do we know about Be'lal besides he was called Netweaver? The guy had zero character traits.
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I disagree. At least we knew ONE thing about Balthamel's personality (he liked the ladies), what do we know about Be'lal besides he was called Netweaver? The guy had zero character traits.
He was an old blademaster who died like a dog?
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Doesn't seem like a bad guy, come to think about it!
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Hasn't anyone asked BS about Be'lal? I've been thinking about his role for quite a while but there isn't much said. This leads me to believe that the puny balefire from the half trained so-called Aes Sedai wasn't enough for the DO to not be able to reincarnate Ba'lal's soul
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If the Dark One can't reach back a few minutes to grab one soul, why should he be able to reach back a few seconds to grab another? The only reasonable distinction I see is between "killed by balefire" and "not."
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If the Dark One can't reach back a few minutes to grab one soul, why should he be able to reach back a few seconds to grab another? The only reasonable distinction I see is between "killed by balefire" and "not."
Unfortunately, RJ gave a very small window.
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Right, I remember seeing that before. I've basically read the whole interview database, but some things escape me sometimes.

One of those situations where you have to question whether RJ was answering hypothetically or for story purposes. You have to think that if Be'lal was going to make another appearance by the Dark One's transmigration power, (A) it would happen at around the same time as Moridin/Aran'gar/Osan'gar; or at least (B) he would have RAFOed the question.
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Yeah, I'm thinking that 'very small' refers more to the type of balefire that Rand used on the Shadowspawn after he killed Rahvin. Moiraine's might have only been worth a few seconds, but it was surely stronger than that.
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I always had a soft spot for Be'lal for some odd reason. He was the most bold of the Forsaken, and came the closest to really wreaking havoc on the Light. While everyone else was developing a power base at a snail's pace, Be'lal ruled Tear, managed to goad Rand into taking Callandor, and probably would have both killed Rand and taken the sa'angreal if he didn't fall victim to the oldest evil villain trope in the book... standing and talking about how the Light was so puny and insignificant while letting Moiraine walk right up to him and pull the trigger, so to speak. But at least he had a plan came pretty close to accomplishing it. He was indirectly responsible for capturing the supergirls, too. He accomplished more as a Forsaken in his limited screen time than some others I could mention who had development spread out over numerous books.
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