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Title says it all, although opinions may come to change with AMoL. Explain why you think so, and don't hesitate to name your favourite villain(s).

I find Semirhage to be the most competent one of the Forsaken, and thus probably the entire cast of villains, since she actually toppled a large empire. The Forsaken could have Traveled across the land, killing most of the high leaders and throwing every country into disarray or civil war, like Seanchan or Arad Doman. Whilst most Forsaken were content with petty plotting against each other and seizing little Wetland kingdoms for themselves, Semirhage sowed Chaos like none other.

Besides Semirhage, my favourite villains are mad scientist Aginor and anti-everything freak Padan Fain.
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Demandred...his forces are ready.
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I've said this to you before, Dav, but I hope you are right. They've spent the entire series bulding up Demandred. I just hope he's not a let down like most of the Forsaken.

As for me, Isha'mael almost converted Rand to his own philosophy, which would have allowed the Dark to achive his ultimate goal.
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Ishamael/Moridin

Ran the Trolloc wars, raided the White Tower, created the Black Ajah, manipulated Hawkwing and his Kin just to name some of the more major things.

His influence on events is far ranging and still felt heavily today.



Fain is the most interesting but to say he's been successful at much to this point...no.
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I've said this to you before, Dav, but I hope you are right. They've spent the entire series bulding up Demandred. I just hope he's not a let down like most of the Forsaken.

As for me, Isha'mael almost converted Rand to his own philosophy, which would have allowed the Dark to achive his ultimate goal.
I assume he'll be able to sneak up on Rand undetected during the Last Battle, he'll then prepare an inverted balefire weave only to stumble on rock and impale himself on a spear.
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I assume he'll be able to sneak up on Rand undetected during the Last Battle, he'll then prepare an inverted balefire weave only to stumble on rock and impale himself on a spear.
Demandred seems reminiscent of Pyrrhus of Epirus. I'm guessing that in the closing stages of his sack of Caemlyn that some random old woman grabs a roof tile and chucks it at him.

As for the competency of villains, aside from Ishamael/Moridin, Taim really has been the most impressive and most accomplished. Hopefully his fatal showdown with Logain doesn't disappoint as much as Egwene vs. Mesaana did.
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Aside from the Foresaken, Alviarin was doing a pretty good job for a while. The WT almost crumbled by under her leadership of the BA, even before Mesaana escaped and started giving her orders.
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Aside from the Foresaken, Alviarin was doing a pretty good job for a while. The WT almost crumbled by under her leadership of the BA, even before Mesaana escaped and started giving her orders.
Alviarin probably would have done even better if Mesaana hadn't send her off on some wild goose chase.

Considering his limitations, I think that Narg did well too.
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You've forgotten about Bela.

She's so far remained unnoticed by the protagonists. She will soon make her move against Rand with the information she's collected through the telepathic control she's established over those who's ridden her.

Bela will influence the decisions of Rand, Egwene and Siuan.

That is why Moiraine has to be there, she must use Balefire against Bela. Moiraine got the information on Bela's true nature in Finnland.
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You mustn't forget that Perrin rode Bela as well, though he did not like it (wolfbrother thingy?)
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Elias didn't, but then, he was a more experienced wolfbrother at the time.
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We'll see if he was protected by the wolves or if he also will be controlled by the "beast of damnation".
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Well for those that count Verin a villain, I would say her, as far as making an impact goes, though I don't consider her a villain. But I can see some would since she was part of an evil organization, even if only to ultimately betray them.

Anyways, I have to go with Ishy/Mori.
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If I had to bet, I would bet that Taim is killed by a sword...given his disdain for the weapon and his overall disdain for weapons training in general.
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After a good deal of thought, I think Greandal is almost competent and that's the best anyone can say about any of the Forsaken.

Ishamael has accomplished a great deal, but he's had several thousand years to work with. His record since the beginning of the series hasn't been exactly sterling.
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My vote's been with Taim for awhile now, and after ToM, I feel even more strongly about it. Alvy did well for awhile, but like someone above said, Forsaken politics got in the way.

Fain certainly hasn't slowed down either, no telling what zombie-trollocs are going to be doing in the final book.

None of the Forsaken have impressed me, though Moridin at least doesn't disappoint me.
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Oooh, good question. i too have always been a fan of Semirhage. She brought the Seanchan to their knees, the other of the Chosen are honestly scared of her, and she managed to subdue Rand. Not many others can say that. She only lost because Rand cheated.

Has Fain been competent? I'm pretty sure all of his plots & schemes have failed, but he's survived thru all the books so far. That counts for something.

i think we can safely say that Elaida was the most incompetent villain.
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I would nominate Daved Hanlon, a.k.a. Doilin Mellar. He did become the captain of the queen's bodyguard, harassed Caemlyn, got an Aes Sedai "slave" and stole one of the silver medallions, hurting the queen in his sortie.
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What has Slayer actually achieved?
He killed two members of the Keystone Coven, and that's about it, I think.
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The most competant villain is...

Elayne. She's done more to bring down the Light from the inside than any of the Forsaken and Fain combined. If only her schemes to keep putting herself in danger so that our heroes must rescue her would pay off and get one of them killed. She'd be named Nae'Blis in no time.
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