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Tomorrow I will be finishing reading Gardens of the Moon and I have to say i thoroughly enjoyed it. I definitely recommend it to anyone who hasn't read it and is looking for something to pass the time until AMOL.
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i gave up after... uh... the one with the Chain of Dogs. Most characters were too mopey & moody for my tastes.
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I own the first 3 books of that series and have tried to read Gardens at least 3 times but have always lost interest.
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While I never really liked SE's writing (FAR too much of it was a waste of ink), I really liked his story. Certain characters (Kruppe, Karsa, Kalam, Rallick) were awesome, and I loved most of history/worldbuilding enough to push through it.

I finished the series just a few weeks ago, having bought the trade paperbacks for the last two books.

And was utterly disappointed. It read like a D&D story, holes all over the place, completely disjointed from all of the previous story he had build up. It basically did for the rest of the story what Matrix 3 did to the first matrix, it just ruined it for me.
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I finished Gardens of the Moon last night. While I enjoyed it and have bought the second one, I am feeling a little impatient with it. The initial stubborn refusal to give the reader anything to hang on to is very off-putting, and I hope the apparent pretentiousness of the series drops off and the author returns to just telling a good story. There are moments of horrifically clunky prose, as well.
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The prose improves drastically as the books go on. Every book is in a new place, usually with new people, but there are enough connections to what you already know in the second book that it's not quite the same.
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Havn't yet started reading any of the books. I don't really like the notion of having to read through a dense first book just for the promise that it'll "get better later". I want it to be fantastic right off the bat thankyouverymuch.

And my patience with long friggin books is running thin over all. Less immense fantasy sagas, thanks.
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I read it, thought it was garbage.

I can understand a slow story picking up later as it goes on, but having to wade 3 books deep before that promised point? waste of ink and binding!
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I can understand a slow story picking up later as it goes on, but having to wade 3 books deep before that promised point? waste of ink and binding!
...He says on a Wheel of Time forum...

That said, I tried to read this a while back and couldn't get into it. I got about 1/3 the way through the book and put it down. I suppose I should return to it one of these days.
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...He says on a Wheel of Time forum...

That said, I tried to read this a while back and couldn't get into it. I got about 1/3 the way through the book and put it down. I suppose I should return to it one of these days.
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The Eye of the World makes sense from start to finish... The Garden of the Moon does not make sense till about the 3rd book... I have no idea how these two relate or why saying so on a WoT forum should factor into it... Malazan Empire is just bad. Period. It starts in the middle of the story, throws you in with people you dont care about in situations you have no idea why are occurring and doesnt start to become cognizant until the 3rd or 4th book in the series... you know what WoT is about from book 1...its like walking into the middle of a conversation. Usually you can pick up the flow of it after listening a few mins, or in books cases, a few chapters. It shouldnt take 3 books to get there...
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I was merely commenting on the biggest complaint about WoT is that, at many points, things seem to drag and it takes a whole book to cover a single day.

Like I said, I only read some of the Gardens of the Moon. I think it lends weight to your argument that the pacing of the book is too slow by the fact that you stuck with WoT but complained about this series.
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I was merely commenting on the biggest complaint about WoT is that, at many points, things seem to drag and it takes a whole book to cover a single day.

Like I said, I only read some of the Gardens of the Moon. I think it lends weight to your argument that the pacing of the book is too slow by the fact that you stuck with WoT but complained about this series.
WoT makes sense from book 1, a reader understands what the entire series is about from the beginning. I have never complained about the pacing in WoT, nor am I now. My biggest complaint is the wait time between book releases since I have had to wait for all of them. Been a long ride...

Malazan empire series takes 3 or 4 books to get there. The first book, Garden of the moon, tosses you into the middle of a story that does not come close cognizance for a good 3 books. That is part of what makes it so bad in my opinion, which I am sure is why you set it aside. Sadly to say, it doesnt get better from there imo
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I think a lot of the problems stem from people having expectations that the series will follow a normal narrative structure. Or that Erikson is trying to write like that, but doing a bad job at it. He isn't trying to write normally, though. Book 2 is not a continuation of book 1, so if you go into the series thinking the story will all be chronological like that, you probably won't like it. And I'm not trying to say you'd be wrong to expect the series to follow a normal structure, but that might be why you seem to think it takes multiple books to get to the gist of the story. It does, basically, but that's because the series starts out with three separate stories on three different continents that at first have nothing to do with each other.

I don't know...like I said, I think it's all about how you approach it. I knew a lot of what to expect before I started reading it, so I wasn't surprised/angered/etc at the weird structure of the series.
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I think a lot of the problems stem from people having expectations that the series will follow a normal narrative structure. Or that Erikson is trying to write like that, but doing a bad job at it. He isn't trying to write normally, though. Book 2 is not a continuation of book 1, so if you go into the series thinking the story will all be chronological like that, you probably won't like it. And I'm not trying to say you'd be wrong to expect the series to follow a normal structure, but that might be why you seem to think it takes multiple books to get to the gist of the story. It does, basically, but that's because the series starts out with three separate stories on three different continents that at first have nothing to do with each other.

I don't know...like I said, I think it's all about how you approach it. I knew a lot of what to expect before I started reading it, so I wasn't surprised/angered/etc at the weird structure of the series.
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I think a lot of the problems stem from people having expectations that the series will follow a normal narrative structure. Or that Erikson is trying to write like that, but doing a bad job at it. He isn't trying to write normally, though. Book 2 is not a continuation of book 1, so if you go into the series thinking the story will all be chronological like that, you probably won't like it. And I'm not trying to say you'd be wrong to expect the series to follow a normal structure, but that might be why you seem to think it takes multiple books to get to the gist of the story. It does, basically, but that's because the series starts out with three separate stories on three different continents that at first have nothing to do with each other.

I don't know...like I said, I think it's all about how you approach it. I knew a lot of what to expect before I started reading it, so I wasn't surprised/angered/etc at the weird structure of the series.
lol, at last too they have nothing to do with each other. They are just ... 'adventures' ... the heroes go through. Some get killed, some survive. Some commit ... uh ... premeditated suicide after every single character in the book sang their praises. Till the end, miracles happen that have no basis in anything that went before.

Timeline? what is that? it obviously has no use in a good fantasy from great author. I do not know why but I like to have at least have it explained, if as nothing but magical/miraculous. But now, here we have an author who says 'timeline is not important'.

Consistency? again huh? Who needs that. Characters behave completely differently in each book, or even within a single book.

And let's not discuss the crap that is the tenth book. I do not even know why it was called series finale. It did not end or resolve a single point of interest (by that time). Not at all. It is just a setup for the next book in the Malazan world, like the past nine books.

I do not know if I qualify as a new reader. I must have read lots and lots of crappy, and a few good fantasy. If I went into a crappy book (knowing beforehand that it was a crappy book), I will put it down after the inevitable crappy ending and think it was time well spent. But if I read a book that generated as much hype as these, (and where the author thinks that he is better than Tolkien) and delivers this kind of crap at the end, I think am justified in feeling homicidal rage.

People keep saying that he is writing in a different way to other authors. But seems to me that he is writing pretty much exactly to many other authors. Except those authors write for video games or write books in video game worlds.
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I own the first 3 books of that series and have tried to read Gardens at least 3 times but have always lost interest.
The book is a lot more fun to reread when you're far long in the series and you understand what's actually going on.

I found GotM annoying and boring the first time around. It took me four attempts to get through it.

I ended up loving the series, though.
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I found GotM annoying and boring the first time around. It took me four attempts to get through it.

I ended up loving the series, though.
and that is the fundamental problem with that series. one has to slog through thousands of pages of uninteresting uninspired writing in order to get to some elusive point when things "pick up" while at the same time being told that if one doesn't enjoy it, one is inferior and stupid.

yeah, I have zero interest in being continuously insulted while reading boring crap.
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and that is the fundamental problem with that series. one has to slog through thousands of pages of uninteresting uninspired writing in order to get to some elusive point when things "pick up" while at the same time being told that if one doesn't enjoy it, one is inferior and stupid.
I don't think anyone here ever called you that...
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