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I loved this tidbit from Lupusdeuset's signing questions to Brandon (good job btw!):
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I think he felt a little sad about my Sorilea attempt and his inevitable RAFO, and thus offered the following tidbit:
"At least one of the named characters is an unrevealed Darkfriend."I know that this is pretty much a given anyway, but the way he said it - the way he <I> presented<I> it (with this gleam in his eyes and an invisible flourish) it suggests it is… not any old named character, but one with some importance. Of course, that is just my opinion and as such is… debatable.
But have we a list of second- and third-tier named characters who could possibly be Darkfriends?
With IvySedai's questioning whether Tenobia may be a DF, I think this deserves its own thread.

Who do YOU think may be a Darkfriend, and why? Let's try to limit the arguing on this one...maybe just a quick name and a brief explanation of why. Even if it is just a gut instinct, it will be interesting to see who pegs the DFs when the book finally reveals all.

What about Me? Me, you ask? Wellll, I always believed it was Siuan (my argument starts at post 26 in the thread) But that was debunked when she helped "rescue" Egwene and retook her vows. Or was it? Her oaths were broken when she was stilled, so who knows what other oaths she HAD. Or HAS now. Sorry, I just cannot let go. EDITED TO ADD: I also predicted it on the YUKU boards 12/22/2003.
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Rand is a Darkfriend.
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Other potential DFs: Sorilea (really think she is) and/or Amys.
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I was actually referring to the "Moridin is secretly controlling Rand" theory.
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Has the Dark Min theory been shot down, yet?
Rand may not ever have looked into her eyes, after all.

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Has the Dark Min theory been shot down, yet?
Rand may not ever have looked into her eyes, after all.

Another good candidate would be Rhuarc.
Rhuarc is a good candidate.

I dont think Rand has ever looked Min in the eyes...just the back of the head for some reason.
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Has the Dark Min theory been shot down, yet?
Rand may not ever have looked into her eyes, after all.

Another good candidate would be Rhuarc.
I LOVE this theory, and always have. I suppose though, that there are enough examples in ToM that show us Rand gazing at Min (or vice versa) to disprove it. Bleh.
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I LOVE this theory, and always have. I suppose though, that there are enough examples in ToM that show us Rand gazing at Min (or vice versa) to disprove it. Bleh.
Oh, don't give up so easily. While looking around for my full Siuan theory (still cannot locate it) I found a thread of discussion whether Sheriam was Black Ajah. And the arguments against it were pretty tight. And yet we were proven WRONG.
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I LOVE this theory, and always have. I suppose though, that there are enough examples in ToM that show us Rand gazing at Min (or vice versa) to disprove it. Bleh.
That's why she wears those tight breeches; to keep him looking not-at-her-eyes.
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Serious potential Darkfriends (IMHO)

1. Sorilea
2. Amys
3. Rhuarc
4. 1-2 of Caddy's Aes Sedai followers
5. Tenobia (like this one)
6. Agelmar...that would be funny/sad.
7. Selucia (I have a feeling there's more than 1 major Seanchan Darkfriend)
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Alanna Mosvani - is my personal favorite; although I have a hunch this "unknown Dark friend" is like Intar and will eventually work for the light. I coudl see her bonding like 100 warders and going nuts at the shadow :P
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Oh, don't give up so easily. While looking around for my full Siuan theory (still cannot locate it) I found a thread of discussion whether Sheriam was Black Ajah. And the arguments against it were pretty tight. And yet we were proven WRONG.
There hasn't been a WHAM Darkfriend reveal since Ingtar, though (and even then there were hints, but they were subtle and very open to interpretation). There have always been strong arguments to make against certain people being Darkfriends (why does Verin help Rand, why is Sheriam so incompetent at doing evil, etc.), but it's always obvious in hindsight that they were indeed Darkfriends all along.. There's no way to make Min work on that level.

I still have Sorilea pegged. Or Bair, I guess, but Sorilea has more indicators.

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I hope not. Verin's reveal was awesome, but now it's been done.
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Burn my soul, that ancient Wise One is certainly no Friend . . . I mean Darkfriend. You might as well claim she unleashed chaos, forcing Wise Ones to use the One Power against each other, revealing secret weaves, and other ridiculous accusations.

No, the one to watch closely is this Ablar fellow. Stripped of his titles, it is no surprise he turned to the Shadow, sewing discord within the Black Tower and undermining the loyal Lord Taim. Now he has disappeared, no doubt fearing to be revealed for what he is. Best he be found and stilled or executed.
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I think Dyelin might be a DF.

The reason she helps Elayne instead of seizing power is orders from your resident forsaken.
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Well there will certainly be more seanchan DFs. Suroth had accomplices. And who impersonated Tuon? Semi or Graendal? Who helped the impersonation succeed?

Mor was certain seekers had been corrupted. And its certainly Ishy's way to have a finger in every pie. He the control freak type.
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Would that be this thread?

Searching on Yuku seems to be broken now But I found this thread mentioning Siuan, via google:

http://theoryland.yuku.com/topic/3386
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I'm still pretty convince Leane is a DF. We have a bit of a pattern developed.

Duhara Basaheen - Keeper
Sheriam - Mistress of Novices, Keeper
Alviarin - Keeper

Merean Redhill - Mistress of Novices
Katerine Alruddin - Mistress of Novices

She always seemed a bit suspect to me, and she'd be an interesting one to be Black.
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Alviarin was part of the coup against Siuan. She knows all BA. Why have a black sister stilled?
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For a while I suspected Alliandre to be a Darkfriend. She acted suspiciously in one or two scenes. She would be an interesting DF carefully placed close to Perrin and Rand to strike when they least expect.
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