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To recap the concept:

There is no main thread. We are flying without any kind of safety net.

I’d like discussions to link back to any existing theories, threads and ideas, but this week we are discussing the French cover(s) of TEOTW, so I've got no idea how that's going to happen. This is less to do with whether we “like” covers and more to do with the sheer bat**** insanity of them – we are Theorylanders, and we are not vapid. If you want to be a Theorylander, practice thinking critically and objectively. Don’t worry, we’ll help! On the other hand, if you want to understand this cover, thinking at all will probably be detrimental.

This week, we're discussing the French cover to TEOTW. Well, one of them.



This is a picture of a spaceship with two naked men on it. Are they falling out of it? Running away from it? Who knows.

Anyway, the artist of this one has done a much better job than Whelan on AMOL and has managed expertly to follow the principle that the covers of Wheel of Time novels must have absolutely nothing to do with the books.

I rather like it.
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I suspect those are Rand and Gawyn, but I do not really know what they're doing either. Maybe there is a Life of Brian like interlude during their first meeting when they're kidnapped by aliens that was left out from all but the French version. I wonder what impact it is gonna have for the Last Battle.
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I actually think the artist went out of his way and visualized the actual prison of the Dark One with the sealing surrounding it.

Clearly the persones are Ishi and one yet unknown Choosen (or maybe some split off envisioned personality of Ishi) which are caught at the very fringes of the sealing, as everybody knows.

The orange hue in the background, is the actual sealing painted in a human perceptible color range to help all non channelers to understand the true nature of the prison.
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I actually think the artist went out of his way and visualized the actual prison of the Dark One with the sealing surrounding it.

Clearly the persones are Ishi and one yet unknown Choosen (or maybe some split off envisioned personality of Ishi) which are caught at the very fringes of the sealing, as everybody knows.

The orange hue in the background, is the actual sealing painted in a human perceptible color range to help all non channelers to understand the true nature of the prison.
Interesting idea. The two naked men could be Aginor and Balthamel, shortly before being released. That might explain why one of them is hiding his face. The spaceship still doesn't quite mark a lick of sense, but A for effort!
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Okay, this is sort of cheating since French is my mother tongue and I can go and read the art credits on the back cover, but there you go:

Cataclysme , acrylic on canvas with LSD, 1968 by Félix Lapaix

"As Mierin Aronaille loses control of the sho-wing Pattern driller, Dragon Lucca and his lover Dragon Cauthon are projected in the future of a Mirror World."
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Okay, this is sort of cheating since French is my mother tongue and I can go and read the art credits on the back cover, but there you go:

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"As Mierin Aronaille loses control of the sho-wing Pattern driller, Dragon Lucca and his lover Dragon Cauthon are projected in the future of a Mirror World."
So you are saying Felix is the artist and Luca is the Dragon ?
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Okay, this is sort of cheating since French is my mother tongue and I can go and read the art credits on the back cover, but there you go:

Cataclysme , acrylic on canvas with LSD, 1968 by Félix Lapaix

"As Mierin Aronaille loses control of the sho-wing Pattern driller, Dragon Lucca and his lover Dragon Cauthon are projected in the future of a Mirror World."
Wait... 1968?

Also Luca and Cauthon = lovers?

Thirdly, LSD kinda explains the whole thing...
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Wait... 1968?

Also Luca and Cauthon = lovers?

Thirdly, LSD kinda explains the whole thing...
They made very small versions of it that you could put under your tongue.

In seriousness, I think it probabaly is Balthamel and Aginor, and that thing behind them is the grinding Wheel of Time. No spaceship. Rather, they are floating in the "ether" and eavesdropping on conversations in order to learn the New Tongue.

And the Wheel turns ever on.
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From all of the French sci-fi and fantasy covers I have seen, I lean towards the editors simply throw on some art they fancy, preferably whatever can be acquired cheaply, since the translation costs already push book prices through the roof. There are enough French conceptual artists to plunder to randomly decorate every cover, although for some reason many never get cover art of any sort, perhaps because text-based covers make it seem more like 'un grand oeuvre' and accord it respectability.
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Agreed.....it definitely seems to be the Wheel of Time imagined as a series of gears and threatening to grind up those poor naked fellows. I'm not sure they're meant to represent any characters in particular
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Yeah, I can confirm that.

All the books from the Fantasy and Sci-Fi collections in Pocket have those generic covers in the same vaguely surrealist, vaguely 70s style. They're not commissioned for the books, it looks like the publisher bought rights for cheap to a ton of such illustrations (not necessarily French, most of the names credited I've seen sound American).

The large format of WOT has another type of "generic" covers, either medieval tapestries or pictures from codexes, it's been a while and I can't recall for sure.


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That may play a bit, though honestly Fantasy/SF have really no chance of being perceived as "respectable" lit. in France (those genres are maligned far more than they are in the US.). There's but one big publisher with a good SF collection going back to the 60s that takes good care of what it publishes. American series like WOT are dealt with very cheaply, usually with atrocious, rushed translations (and for the few pages I've read of it, WOT's no exception).

Most of all, it's traditional/classic for French books from several big publishers to have text-only or graphical covers without illustration, even in genre lit. Nowadays it's not so true, most books have illustrated covers, US-style (though usually more subdued, using less flashy colors, and you rarely ever see metallic or embossed lettering and stuff like that either. It's also typical for French paperbacks from a given publisher to all have the same graphic look. They rarely develop a look for a writer or a series as it's done here. Book marketing culture overall is really very different).
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I was going to save this for a tongue-in-cheek follow up next week, but since we've actually got into a quite interesting discussion about the French covers and how they came to be, I'll go ahead and post it here:



This one is a naked man (seriously what is up with all these naked dudes?) floating in a sphere. The sphere looks vaguely enough like a wheel, and vaguely enough like an eye, to be appropriate, in my opinion. The man looks like he has red hair, so I'm going to go ahead and suggest he is an extremely well-developed eighteen year old Rand. I think if this depicts anything (which, as people have noted above, it probably doesn't), it's a scene from the end of the book, with Rand having an experience with saidin. I should point out that it appears that this one is the first part of the book, and the one I posted originally is the second, so it's also arguable that this might be Lews Therin in the prologue or some such.

I guess I'll go with a Japanese cover next week. If I remember.
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Actually, I think that it might be appropriate (and within the time limits) to do one book per week, with (if available) multiple covers. So you could do both a Japanese and a Guatemalan* version of TGH next week.

* If you can find one. Not quite sure they exist. Not sure they'd be safe for TL if they do, either.
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Actually, I think that it might be appropriate (and within the time limits) to do one book per week, with (if available) multiple covers. So you could do both a Japanese and a Guatemalan* version of TGH next week.

* If you can find one. Not quite sure they exist. Not sure they'd be safe for TL if they do, either.
Okay, well, there are a couple of ways of doing this. Either I could just pick my favourite cover for each book and we could discuss that, or I could post all the different versions and we could have a POLL. If I remember to do it at all. Which would people prefer?
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Man. I haven't seen covers like that since... high school. Even in elementary school, french book covers had a similar feel, although minus the naked men.

God how I hated those covers. XD

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Oh, and if you choose to remember, I think a poll would be pretty cool - getting to see all the different covers of the WoT. Although no more French ones. Please. I've seen enough French to last 3 Turnings.
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The first cover is just ineffable. The second one raises some questions of an anatomical nature. Given the distance apart of Rand's legs? There ought to be some dangly bits visible unless he's hung like the proverbial stud canary, though with his hair streaming straight up like a kewpie doll, mebbe he's falling so fast, everything is, you know, caught in the updraft?

Also? What are those things rising from the viscous fluid in the background? the nearer one looks vaguely like a chambered Nautilus. Mebbe that's Aginor in one of his 'creations' escaping?

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The first cover is just ineffable. The second one raises some questions of an anatomical nature. Given the distance apart of Rand's legs? There ought to be some dangly bits visible unless he's hung like the proverbial stud canary, though with his hair streaming straight up like a kewpie doll, mebbe he's falling so fast, everything is, you know, caught in the updraft?

Also? What are those things rising from the viscous fluid in the background? the nearer one looks vaguely like a chambered Nautilus. Mebbe that's Aginor in one of his 'creations' escaping?

Thank you for these, ZS! They are wonderfully awful!

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Possibly it's actually a very heavily muscled woman?
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There's probably cadin'sor floating around somewhere nearby. :/

Although I always thought Maidens of the Spear were (more or less) better looking than that.
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