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Old 09-11-2008, 11:29 AM
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Thanks for posting this Mr. Vice President. I can't help but think about exactly where I was and what I was doing when I found out about the first attack. The rest of that day is kind of burned in my head too.

When we're in charge, we'll get the day off since no one feels like working anyway.
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Great Idea, Tana. Could we possibly outlaw Mondays as well?

I was like this all day, that day, with a some of this mixed in
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Yeah thanks. It's hard to believe it has been seven years. Kind of scary to believe so much time has passed, and there is still so much emotion connected to it. I know I'll be praying for the families of all those who lost someone.
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Great Idea, Tana. Could we possibly outlaw Mondays as well?

I was like this all day, that day, with a some of this mixed in
As much as I am not a fan of Mondays, they're hardly of the same magnitude. I'm discussion on another board giving up President's Day and Columbus Day and taking 12/7 and 9/11 as National Holidays instead.
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Thanks for posting this Mr. Vice President. I can't help but think about exactly where I was and what I was doing when I found out about the first attack. The rest of that day is kind of burned in my head too.
On that note, I figure I should post this while we still have it. It's unfortunate that so many of the names are gone, now (Unregistered as they are).
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in the Convention Center Marriott reviewing grant proposals for the NIH. One of the clerks came bursting in to the conference room & told us about it after the first hit. We decided to carry on with our work, and went out & checked the TV broadcasts during our break. By then Verizon had gone down completely; nobody's cell was good for anything other than a paperweight. Shortly thereafter air flights were stopped, and within 15 minutes or so of that every rental car, bus ticket, and train ticket was gone. There were three docs from Omaha in town, and they got clever and rented a Ryder truck. Drove that back to Omaha, where their cleverness suddenly abandoned them, because they remembered that their cars were at the airport. So in their big yellow truck, they drove to the airport on September 13, and immediately found themselves the objects of great interest, including cocked rifles aimed at them.

I decided to wait things out - called home over the noon hour to let the family know all was well. Lovely Daughter was quite upset because a friend's parents had been vacationing in New York and were killed by glass falling from the WTC. I spent the week browsing the Smithsonian and seeing the sights - both the Smithsonian and the subways were open. I went to the National Zoo, up near Grosvener Square, one morning fairly early, and a trainer was working with some sea lions and a walrus or two. There was really no one else around and she explained what she was doing - finally got an understanding of how you get a walrus to 'roll over'. Seems it's a natural behavior anyway, and you just reinforce it.

I went out to Dulles Airport on Friday, and no go - huge lines, waits lasting forever, sleeping overnight in ther terminal. So I made a reservation for the next day, went back to the Marriott (NIH kindly paid for my whole stay), then went again in the morning. Again huge lines, long waits, missed my plane of course but eventually got on one and made it home. To be greeted very happily by my family.
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today is rough cause we have to be sad about this and celebrate my Dad's birthday
Yeah. A friend on another message board has a son who celebrated (?) his first birthday on 9/11/01. That would be weird.

How long do you suppose it will be before we're no longer sad on this day?
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the population had it coming? i see you follow the teachings of General Sherman.

i'd be more worried if people DIDN'T feel sad on those fateful days.
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But, I can't imagine anyone remembers fondly the picture of the little asian girl sccreaming with her skin peeling off. Terrible days, all of them. Terrible prices to pay.

9/11 had a huge impact on us as well. Our whole day stopped as we were glued to the TV for 12 hours straight. We were horrified. You folks down south mean a lot to us and it hurt us to see you hurt. I mean that sincerely.
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Although the husband of one of my county maternal-child health workers when I was in Peace Corps in 71-74 was killed in Nagasaki - he was a med student at the time, up on a hill outside town, but contracted leukemia from the radiation. Another war, but my wife's father and his brothers, non-combatants, were nearly killed by american planes strafing the road they were on. Killing the civilians seems to have always been a part of wars, but maybe more so as our capabilities have increased.
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Although the husband of one of my county maternal-child health workers when I was in Peace Corps in 71-74 was killed in Nagasaki - he was a med student at the time, up on a hill outside town, but contracted leukemia from the radiation. Another war, but my wife's father and his brothers, non-combatants, were nearly killed by american planes strafing the road they were on. Killing the civilians seems to have always been a part of wars, but maybe more so as our capabilities have increased.

I agree its horrible but how do you balance it all? Who honestly has that right?
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But, I can't imagine anyone remembers fondly the picture of the little asian girl sccreaming with her skin peeling off. Terrible days, all of them. Terrible prices to pay.

9/11 had a huge impact on us as well. Our whole day stopped as we were glued to the TV for 12 hours straight. We were horrified. You folks down south mean a lot to us and it hurt us to see you hurt. I mean that sincerely.

Crazy day that I'll never forget. More so since I was in the Army at the time. We found out during PT (I was in Washington State) when the first plane hit but no one knew it was terrorism at that point...hell we actually were joking about it "How dumb do you gotta be to hit a building, etc etc?" Seems kinda morbid now. Then the 2nd plane hit and things became more real. Our commander interrupted PT and told us to go change into BDUs. I got up to my barracks room, turned on my TV and saw a replay of the 2nd plane crashing. The whole base was put on Threatcon Delta at that point and we went so far as to draw weapons and ammo. We also closed off all the exits to the base with Bradleys and M-1s (we still had an armor brigade on Ft. Lewis back then) and locked down our SCIFs as well. It was scary times to say the least. I, being an intel guy, went into work in full gear (including live chem gear, not training crap) that night and stayed on night shift for 2 straight months, went overseas, then went to Bosnia. and again overseas. It was fun, eh?

I'll never forget that day though. I couldn't begin to remember the 10th or 12th though.
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I was sleeping when the first plane hit...and the second...and the other two as well. I was in my 2nd year of university and I had tuesdays off. So needless to say I had stayed up into the wee hours playing games and slept through most of the next day.

My mom called about 7 or 8 times, but I only finally work up at around 2 in the afternoon to this news. Then I remember rampant confused discusson here on TL. It was a horrible day, but when fighting happens on this scale all too often it is the civilians that die and not the soldiers.

There are theories on why you have to attack the civilians and the production of an enemy. It was questionable in all the wars in the 20th century, but it still happened. It was described to me like this: imagine two triangles. Those are two countries. Put them tip to tip (imagine a bow tie), that is war. Those two tips represent the martial side, the soldiers, the tanks, the plans, the fighting side. The rest represents the production and the civilians.

Ramming those two triangles, those two small points, together, won't result in much. The civilians and the governments will be safe and they'll call up more troops to the point to fight each other and the war will keep going on and on, until there's nothing left of either side.

This isn't a good solution, so the idea then becomes to attack the larger parts of the triangle, to attack the civilians and the production. Scare one and render the other incapible of supplying the tip, the armed forces. Render your foe unable to fight and you still win.

The Firebombing of Germany cities, the V2 rockets slamming into London, the utter ruin that was laid on Stalingrad. If armies just fight armies, then all that happens is that soldiers die, more are replaced and the war continues on.

To win a war, or so the theory goes, you have to make your enemy uncapable of fighting back. This involves civilians dying, not just those caught in bomb blasts, or shot by accident along a road, but by those dying in factories as they labour to keep the war machine running.

It sucks, it's horrible...it's war. The alternative is that the war continues on forever and then everyone dies anyway.
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