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Probably, but the link i found was laid out as a decision-making flow chart.
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I'm a big fan of LotR. I really am. Loved the books when I was younger and was happy enough with the films.

However, how it tops polls of the greatest Sci-Fi and fantasy novels is beyond me. Its good- but in no way is it anywhere near the level of aSoIaF or WoT. Yet it consistently tops these lists.

Ditto for Dune- Good but very overrated. THe problem is people vote for what they "know" and genuine classics get left behind.
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I LOVE the LotR books. The language, the plot, the characters, all of it. so, for me, it deserves the top spot.

I liked Dune and Ender's Game but as stand-alones, and while I diagree over the position of Dune in the list (should be in the 20s somewhere), as those 2 are taken as stand-alones, I think the aSoIaF books should be taken as stand-alones as well... Otherwise, you'd have to count the sequels of both Dune and Ender's game along as well and then they fall allllll the way to the bottom of the list.
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LOTR appears at number one for the same reason that Star Wars or The Godfather tend to appear as number one film in similar lists. Because that's how these things are.

I think putting GRRM at number 5 with a series which is so far unfinished and no indication of when it might be, or even where the damn plot is going, is a little ambitious, but then that's what you get for making a TV series.

As a Brit I can tell this list has been produced by Americans

PTerry doesn't appear till number 57?!?!?!

That being said, I haven't read nearly as many of those books as I'd have liked to, and some I have read I've always intended to read again, so I for one have printed the printable version. My kindle wishlist is about to get a LOT longer
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PTerry doesn't appear till number 57?!?!?!
there's a lot of Asimov on the list, but no Strugatsky, for instance. So, yes. Also, a lot of the SF books there are... um... old. Why isn't Otherland on there? it's totally better than a lot of those '60s books. As much as I love her, Diana Gabaldon really shouldn't be on this list, the Fantasy aspect of her books is so negligible.
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Does the Sword of Truth series really count as Science Fiction?
We know (from the author, who should know) that it isn't Fantasy, don't we?

I do like the order of #79 and #80 in this list.
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LOTR appears at number one for the same reason that Star Wars or The Godfather tend to appear as number one film in similar lists. Because that's how these things are.

I think putting GRRM at number 5 with a series which is so far unfinished and no indication of when it might be, or even where the damn plot is going, is a little ambitious, but then that's what you get for making a TV series.As a Brit I can tell this list has been produced by Americans

PTerry doesn't appear till number 57?!?!?!

That being said, I haven't read nearly as many of those books as I'd have liked to, and some I have read I've always intended to read again, so I for one have printed the printable version. My kindle wishlist is about to get a LOT longer
It's even worse if you make a movie.

I love Robert A Heinlen. One of the most amazing writers I have ever had the pleasure to read.

Stranger in a strange Land is a great book. Close to his best so no problems with it's position in the list.

Starship Troopers- This is so inferior to many of hisd others. Expecially The moon is a Harsh mistress or The Cat who walks through walls.

And then proper classics like the forever war by joe Haldernon are below this not to mention "The Demolished Man" by Alfred Bester which is in with a shout as greatest novel ever written.
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...Diana Gabaldon really shouldn't be on this list, the Fantasy aspect of her books is so negligible.
I disagree, the time travel element is central to the Outlander series. Every action of the main characters is colored by the conflict between 20th century and 18th century sensibilities.

I've read most of the nominees, and I think the list is "politically correct;" books/series like LotR are on there because they were the first or influential more than because they were actually "good."

I would have liked to see the Recluse series by L.E. Modessit, the Honor Harrington series by David Weber, 1632 (the Ring of fire Series) By Eric Flint (and others) and the Valdemar series by Mercedes Lackey on the list. I'm not sure which titles I'd drop to make room for them, though.
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I am actually shocked at how many I HAVE read. i figured there would be a high percentage, but man, I guess I am a sci-fi/fantasy nerd.

One thing that stands out is I apparently only give authors one shot. For example Gaiman. I hated American Gods, so I dismiss everything else. Not worth my time (limited) or money (also limited). Folks I respect can recommend them to high-heaven, I am not wasting my time on them.

Edited-to-Add: I actually voted in this survey! Heh.
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I was surprised that Rothfuss with his Kingkiller chronicles got to #18. Probably because he's hot right now. I like the books but they aren't that good IMO.

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Ender's game is a favorite of mine. Reading Snow crash #26 by Neal Stephenson now, on audiobook though. Have a hard time getting into it properly, maybe because of the format.

Then there are so many I havn't read yet.
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I was surprised that Rothfuss with his Kingkiller chronicles got to #18. Probably because he's hot right now. I like the books but they aren't that good IMO.

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Ender's game is a favorite of mine. Reading Snow crash #26 by Neal Stephenson now, on audiobook though. Have a hard time getting into it properly, maybe because of the format.

Then there are so many I havn't read yet.
He is actually excellant with foreshadowing and hinting at a much larger conflict. Check out the reread on Tor that really delves deep into the mysteries of the story. I think it's brilliant going the whol unreliable narrator route and making the reader piece it all together.
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ASoIaF in the top 10 and MBotF at 81?

I disagree

As for LotR getting the top spot. It's good and it is where it all started, but it doesn't hold a candle to most epic fantasy IMO
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Okay, I have a bunch of comments that are in no particular order.

1. The Godfather and Godfather II are at the top of lists because they are two amazing movies that are tough to equal let alone be better than.

2. Lord of the Rings is good in that it kick-started modern fantasy...other than that, I never cared for them.

3. American Gods by Neil Gaiman did indeed suck as SBC noted...so very very disappointed by it.

4. Sword of Truth is pure garbage.

5. Ender's Game is the only good book OSC ever wrote. He's a hateful racist bigot and nobody should ever buy his books and give him money in the process. If you must read Ender's Game, go get a library card or borrow it from somebody. He's a loser who has been milking one good book for nearly 30 years now.

6. I liked the first Dune when I read it but did not find it world-changing.

7. Heinlein was awesome...also, don't underrate Starship Troopers becuase of a terrible movie that shared a name and nothing else. It was a great book...especially if you take many of the fascist overtones for satire. Not his best novel but still solid. Moon is a Harsh Mistress is his best IMHO.

8. I dont get how you can rate GRRM at all at this point as he's likely going to die before his series is even close to complete.
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5. Ender's Game is the only good book OSC ever wrote. He's a hateful racist bigot and nobody should ever buy his books and give him money in the process. If you must read Ender's Game, go get a library card or borrow it from somebody. He's a loser who has been milking one good book for nearly 30 years now.
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