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How many people have we seen with access to it?

And of those people, how many had access to a lot of the true power?

Ishy is the only answer to the second i can think off.

The reason im asking is that to the best of my knowledge he is the only person i can think of who had lots of access and over a prolonged period. Yet several people recognise the signs in his eyes of that prolonged use and even give it a name (saa??)

So in wondering where they saw it and why was it so common that the overuse of it had recognisable symptoms???
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Ishy/Moridin
Graendal gets it occasionally.
Demandred (heavily suspected that he had access given his favor/special mission)
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There are also indications that access to it was much more widespread during the War of Power so they (the Forsaken and Rand through LTT) all had memories of those consequences.
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Ishy/Moridin
Graendal gets it occasionally.
Demandred (heavily suspected that he had access given his favor/special mission)
Rand


There are also indications that access to it was much more widespread during the War of Power so they (the Forsaken and Rand through LTT) all had memories of those consequences.
I'm assuming you threw rand in for a lively discussion on "the link"??

Anyway, those are the people i thought and so im wondering why is it only ishy that gets proper use of it now? Why was it more available in the age of legends??
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Taim/M'Hael got a trickle.
Moghedien seemed to have full access for a while.
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"If God is so good, why does he allow evil in the first place. You can drive yourself mad asking those kinds of questions." - the angel Joshua in Supernatural.

This is one of the many, many, many, MANY ways in which WoT defies all logic and common sense.

Did the Dark One sense what Callandor was when Rand brought it near the bore? Even if he didn't, Moridin ANNOUNCED it.

The Dark One had to know that a True Power sa'angreal would leave him helpless and at the mercy of any channeler who used it. So why would the Dark One - who up until this point was incredibly stingy with the True Power and fearful of anyone channeling near the Bore - allow Moridin to seize the True Power through a device that he knew full well would leave him helpless?

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"If God is so good, why does he allow evil in the first place. You can drive yourself mad asking those kinds of questions." - the angel Joshua in Supernatural.

This is one of the many, many, many, MANY ways in which WoT defies all logic and common sense.

Did the Dark One sense what Callandor was when Rand brought it near the bore? Even if he didn't, Moridin ANNOUNCED it.

The Dark One had to know that a True Power sa'angreal would leave him helpless and at the mercy of any channeler who used it. So why would the Dark One - who up until this point was incredibly stingy with the True Power and fearful of anyone channeling near the Bore - allow Moridin to seize the True Power through a device that he knew full well would leave him helpless?

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This assumes the DO knew it was a TP sa'angreal from the outset. And that he somehow divined the obscure fact that two women can take control over its user.

As for the first part: what makes you think it is a matter of the Creator "allowing" evil? What makes you think he has a choice?
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This assumes the DO knew it was a TP sa'angreal from the outset. And that he somehow divined the obscure fact that two women can take control over its user.

As for the first part: what makes you think it is a matter of the Creator "allowing" evil? What makes you think he has a choice?
The first part is a rhetorical question.

As for whether the Dark One knew that Callandor was a True Power sa'angreal, Moridin outright said it (twice in fact) while standing a few feet away from the bore. It's well established that the Dark One can hear his servants when they talk, so the Dark One knew. Whether he knew about the flaw or not is not germane to the topic.

It's a well-established character trait for the Dark One to fear even his most trusted servants channeling near the bore. The Dark One also has intricate knowledge of the the Pattern. It defies credulity to assume that he wouldn't know how a sa'angreal works and what would happen if the his essence was channeled through one.

So the Dark One is breaking character here. It's almost deliberate stupidity. Like he wants to get sealed back up or something.
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It's a well-established character trait for the Dark One to fear even his most trusted servants channeling near the bore. The Dark One also has intricate knowledge of the the Pattern. It defies credulity to assume that he wouldn't know how a sa'angreal works and what would happen if the his essence was channeled through one.
The DO didn't fear anyone channeling near him. It was a matter of obedience. Rand was allowed to channel near him so I see no reason why Moridin (who was practically the DO's right hand man) would not be allowed to channel.

Knowledge of Callandor's flaw was absolutely relevant. If the DO didn't know about the danger, there was no reason for him to withdraw the TP from Moridin. Moridin was not going to use it against the DO. Moridin with Callandor and the TP gave him a near unbeatable advantage over Rand and co. There's a reason why that part was the riskiest part of the plan.

The DO only realized the danger when Moridin got taken over suddenly and control passed to Rand. He panicked and tried to withdraw the TP but it was too late.
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The first part is a rhetorical question.

As for whether the Dark One knew that Callandor was a True Power sa'angreal, Moridin outright said it (twice in fact) while standing a few feet away from the bore. It's well established that the Dark One can hear his servants when they talk, so the Dark One knew. Whether he knew about the flaw or not is not germane to the topic.

It's a well-established character trait for the Dark One to fear even his most trusted servants channeling near the bore. The Dark One also has intricate knowledge of the the Pattern. It defies credulity to assume that he wouldn't know how a sa'angreal works and what would happen if the his essence was channeled through one.

So the Dark One is breaking character here. It's almost deliberate stupidity. Like he wants to get sealed back up or something.
Not really. The DO is trying to stay unsealed, but cannot directly effect things yet in a reliable manner, so he put his most trusted lieutenant in the spot where he could defend him the most successfully. The TP is from the DO, most of the Forsaken only channel it at need, preferring to use the less addictive OP. Why would he fear someone channeling the power that he himself controls, he can shut it off at any time because, to his knowledge, no one has ever crated even an angreal to channel the TP. Callandor was create by the Aes Sedai of the AOL after the TP was found bu it was crated by those who had no access to it, so he would not have had a part in creating it.Ishmael and his resurrected for Moridin had no prior knowledge of it or he would be trying to get ahold of it even earlier, and would have discovered the flaw.
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Callandor was create by the Aes Sedai of the AOL after the TP was found bu it was crated by those who had no access to it, so he would not have had a part in creating it.
Maybe, maybe not. That has always been a bit ambiguous:
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Does that "we" mean that Be'lal helped make Callandor, or not? If yes, was Be'lal a Forsaken at the time, or not?
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Maybe, maybe not. That has always been a bit ambiguous:
Does that "we" mean that Be'lal helped make Callandor, or not? If yes, was Be'lal a Forsaken at the time, or not?
I think it's a general "we" referring to Aes Sedai of the time period in general.
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I think it's a general "we" referring to Aes Sedai of the time period in general.
Agreed, given that Be'lal was the envious one he would have wanted to increase his name by any means possible ("they" becomes "we").
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Agreed, given that Be'lal was the envious one he would have wanted to increase his name by any means possible ("they" becomes "we").
But that would have backfired horribly if Rand/LTT had remembered that Be'lal hadn't been involved in sa'angreal making. The stories told about Be'lal suggest that he boasted of things he had done, not of things he hadn't.
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As for how many were allowed to use the True Power I think Moghedien mentioned there had been thirty in the Age of Legends.
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Moghedien mentions "twenty-nine others" when she first meets Moridin, but it is not quite certain that she's referring to True Power users. If correct, then there were 29, not 30, in the AOL. Plus however many the DO had granted this in secret, of course.
I'm not sure Moghedien counted the AS who first found the DO and created the Bore; if not, then they would up the count by a considerable margin.
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Moghedien mentions "twenty-nine others" when she first meets Moridin, but it is not quite certain that she's referring to True Power users. If correct, then there were 29, not 30, in the AOL. Plus however many the DO had granted this in secret, of course.
I'm not sure Moghedien counted the AS who first found the DO and created the Bore; if not, then they would up the count by a considerable margin.
Wouldn't 29 others mean a total 30 when Moghedien is included?
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Maybe, maybe not. Moridin inconsiderately interrupted her before she could clarify that. The way she formulated it, it could go either way, but it doesn't seem likely that if she was going to put herself on the same level as the Third Ager she thought she was speaking to.
And, to further complicate things: it's not quite certain she was speaking about TP use at all. That was another detail which she wasn't given time to clarify.
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But that would have backfired horribly if Rand/LTT had remembered that Be'lal hadn't been involved in sa'angreal making. The stories told about Be'lal suggest that he boasted of things he had done, not of things he hadn't.
Rand was not hearing/aware of LTT until TSR right? So in TDR, there is no guarantee that LTT would be "around" to jog Rand's memory.

Also, Be'lal could easily have a hand in making sure what stories were told and by who by killing, torturing, or otherwise controlling his image. Cults of personalities are impressive like that. Further, boasting is not envy. I know plenty who boast but are not envious. Envy suggests a need to make oneself larger at the expense of the truth by either ingratiating themselves with their "betters" or making others' deeds their own.
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Hmm, I do not think that would have stopped his pretensions. Especially where the forsaken take character faults to an extreme, thus Be'lal might have even believed he had helped with the CK by that time even if he had not.
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