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When I say "New" I mean ones I have not seen discussed, or questions I have.

I started a similar thread a while back, but I am hoping to get a new set of questions out there.

So of these might be me missing something or the impossible questions we might never know, IE that room in Rhuidean in tFoH that Rand could not figure out the and nor could I.

This is not an actual Aes Sedia bashing question, or Egwene bashing...But when they are prepping for the Last Battle did the White Tower do anything to call back all the sisters? I mean they have eyes and ears everywhere and Traveling...We know for a fact that some where still with the Borderlanders only days before the last Battle. How about the rest? if they had 1000 sisters, it was theorized in the books that about a third was in the WT a third with the rebels and a third off somewhere. Did anyone think to call back those off doing their own thing?

Next, once the Tuon learns about Traveling or the fact that they can do it, did she send any envoys or orders to the home continent? We know it was in chaos, but I would have tried to get some feeling on what was going on, and if possible get help for the last battle.

Last right now, Did Rand ever order for the Aiel to be tested to channel? Any reason why not?
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Last right now, Did Randever order for the Aiel to be tested to channel? Any reason why not?
I do not believe he did. I can only imagine that he didnt order it because he was worried it would fracture the society even further.

I have a question- not really factual, more an impression thing.

when perrin is on his never ending quest to free his wife there is a pivotal scene where he is needing infotmation from an aiel. He tortures the aiel. It is meant to be hard hitting and show his descent into darkness similar to rands.

Am I the only one who feels it fell flat? I think I would do the same in his place.
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I think it was a bit amateur hour by Perrin. I think I could torture someone a bit better than that...but that's just me.

Granted, I'd just waterboard his dumb ass till he broke. Or I'd go all Ramsay Snow on him. That would have been an interesting crossover scene.


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I am friends with Gary Kephart on Facebook; he occasionally posts updates. Not sure when it will be done but they are working on it.
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This is not an actual Aes Sedia bashing question, or Egwene bashing...But when they are prepping for the Last Battle did the White Tower do anything to call back all the sisters? I mean they have eyes and ears everywhere and Traveling...We know for a fact that some where still with the Borderlanders only days before the last Battle. How about the rest? if they had 1000 sisters, it was theorized in the books that about a third was in the WT a third with the rebels and a third off somewhere. Did anyone think to call back those off doing their own thing?
A lot of those AS hadn't been doing their own thing, they had been doing Cadsuane's thing instead. And, as you may remember, once the candidates from the first two factions had been cleared away, Cadsuane became Amyrlin.

There were a few AS who had escaped that, one way or another. For instance, there were some (at least one) amongst the irregulars that gathered at Merrilor.
But I think that most AS did get back to follow the instructions from the White Tower. If they didn't and Rand won, they had centuries of awkward questions to look forward to, after all.

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Not as far as we know.
Tuon may have decided to ignore that mess for the time being. That way, she could pretend that she had started solving it as soon as she became aware of it. If she had send spies and then done nothing when they reported chaos, that would have meant a severe loss of face.

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I don't think Rand ever ordered anyone to be tested in that way. As far as he was concerned, it should always be voluntary. And the Aiel males didn't volunteer for this; if they found out they could channel they went to "kill the Dark One".
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As for the AS I thought the Code was Tower before nation etc. It seems many AS had their own loyalties, ie those with the Borderlanders, did not follow the Mommy's orders and fight with the Tower.

Along those lines, I think my confusion was with the numbers at the various Battles. We know all the Borderlanders were with Lan, but how many AS or Ashamen? Any support Aiel? Any support troops at all?

How about with Perrin and those forces? It was the Band, Andor, Perrin's forces, some Aiel, the Kin, and we know it was some channelers, but not sure how many or from where?

Same with Rand's force, it was Tear, the Aiel, the Windfinders?, the Dragonsworn, but not all since some ended up at Merriior? Speaking of windfinders, how many ended up fighting? how many troops from the ships, if any? yes, I know many windfinders battled the Storm. but each ship had at least one right?

I know these questions might just be me trying to find details that do not exist. But it leads to the question, where we all the Aiel? All the Windfinders? Sea Folk must have had some fighters, right?
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Perrin had the few AS he had been given by Rand, the one that came with Berelain, and that's it, I think. The thing with Galina did not really work out in the end.
He had a couple of WOs who could channel too, and maybe he got some more after Merrilor; probably not, though.
And he got an unspecified number of Asha'man to add to the two he already had.
I don't think he had collected any Wind Finders or damane or such.

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For the Sea Folk, that may be the official start of the Last Battle.

I wonder whether anyone would ever get around to telling him this.
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What about transgender channelers. Would Trans-randlanders be like Halima, able to channel a power that doesn't match their sex?
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You were on a reddit forum and the question of Transgender popped up? That is so unexpected!

But I would see this as having a simple answer.

There are two options:

A) The soul is the gender coefficient. So lets say the person is born a Man but has the soul of a Woman and wants to be a Woman. If the Soul is the Gender coefficient for channeling than even as a Man saidar was available and after the operations saidar will still be accessible.

B) The Body is the gender Coefficient. In this case the person is Born a man and yet has the soul of a woman(enjoys shoes, greys anatomy etc ) and decides to become a woman. If the body determines the channeling than after the operation this lady will be channeling saidan.


Based on Halima- A mans soul transported/transposed into a female body is only capable of channeling the male half of the source than I would suggest A as the option most likely.

So: Born a man with womans soul- Always Saidar

Born a woman with mans souls- always Saidan.

Born a man with mans soul and becomes a woman- still saidan.

Born a woman with womans souls and becomes a man- still saidar.
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There are two options:

A) The soul is the gender coefficient. So lets say the person is born a Man but has the soul of a Woman and wants to be a Woman. If the Soul is the Gender coefficient for channeling than even as a Man saidar was available and after the operations saidar will still be accessible.

B) The Body is the gender Coefficient. In this case the person is Born a man and yet has the soul of a woman(enjoys shoes, greys anatomy etc ) and decides to become a woman. If the body determines the channeling than after the operation this lady will be channeling saidan.
There is a third option:

C) A person continues to Channel whichever they first Channeled. EG If Bruce Jenner first learned to Channel Saidin before beginning the transformation, She would continue to Channel Saidin after the sex-change. If She learned to Channel after the transformation, she would Channel Saidar.

I suspect that most transgenders would not Channel at all, so the question would be moot.
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C) A person continues to Channel whichever they first Channeled. EG If Bruce Jenner first learned to Channel Saidin before beginning the transformation, She would continue to Channel Saidin after the sex-change. If She learned to Channel after the transformation, she would Channel Saidar.
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So their is no gender co-efficient in the ability to channel? Why couldn't any man start to learn saidar or any woman learn saidin?
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One could be predisposed to one or the other, depending on their birth gender.

Maybe it is a hormone thing? hence puberty is when things pop up.
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Yes, there IS a gender bias because the Creator said there was. If Gender-confusion doesn't prevent the concentration necessary to Channel successfully, then the gender-of-the-moment determines what gets Channeled -- and yes, Gonzo, the True Power first is a very remote possibility.

Halima demonstrates that it is the Soul that determines what is Channeled but she is an unnatural artifact. The Wheel/Pattern would not normally allow a mismatch between soul and gender, or create the conditions that would allow cross-gender Channeling as a first effort.

Either Gender can demonstrably manipulate both sides of the Source in a Circle, it is the necessary mind-set for accessing either half that sets the gender bias according to gender stereotypes.
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Yes, there IS a gender bias because the Creator said there was. If Gender-confusion doesn't prevent the concentration necessary to Channel successfully, then the gender-of-the-moment determines what gets Channeled -- and yes, Gonzo, the True Power first is a very remote possibility.

Halima demonstrates that it is the Soul that determines what is Channeled but she is an unnatural artifact. The Wheel/Pattern would not normally allow a mismatch between soul and gender, or create the conditions that would allow cross-gender Channeling as a first effort.

Either Gender can demonstrably manipulate both sides of the Source in a Circle, it is the necessary mind-set for accessing either half that sets the gender bias according to gender stereotypes.
Forgetting about the transgender issue- do you think if a girl was discovered with the spark she could learn to channel saidin?

Or a boy could simply learn to channel saidar it was his first experience??
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Zombie and I were discussing trans in WoT a couple weeks ago and I will raise the same point now as I did then:

The World and the Power are built from the same gunk - reality is to am extent built from the Power in a different form. What if the reason there are no natural trans channelers in the world of WoT is because their very ability to channel alters their physical form, correcting it in early development?
We would need to essentially chromosome check all channelers to see if it is maintained (rather than a "quick fix" at conception), and could even try stilling a few to see if the effects can continue on without the Power.
We know already the Power affects longevity, mending the body as it ages, if not perfectly. Why can't it fix this, too?
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