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It was also just a day after another high profile murder in Orlando. Friday night a psychotic fan shot a singer, Christina Grimmie, at a concert.
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Yeah, Orlando had a rough weekend.

People are debating whether to call this Islamist terrorism or a hate crime. IMO it's clearly both. It doesn't matter much that it was a lone wolf attack; the dude pledged allegiance to ISIS and he clearly bought into their philosophy which encourages this sort of thing. His ex-wife says he wasn't particularly religious but that's often the case with these radicalized types. They're angry losers looking for an outlet.
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Yeah, Orlando had a rough weekend.

People are debating whether to call this Islamist terrorism or a hate crime. IMO it's clearly both. It doesn't matter much that it was a lone wolf attack; the dude pledged allegiance to ISIS and he clearly bought into their philosophy which encourages this sort of thing. His ex-wife says he wasn't particularly religious but that's often the case with these radicalized types. They're angry losers looking for an outlet.
Yup. At the same time, its possible this particular venue was chosen because the shooter was pissed when he saw two men kissing. At least, according to his dad, according to a few news sources. The whole story will be out soon, but nothing stops this being both terrorism and a domestic hate crime.
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One thing I do know...there is no way any sort of gun control could have possibly prevented such a tragedy...and also, this is NOT the time to talk about gun control as a nation.
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And yet, you brought it up.
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That was sarcastic...since that is ALWAYS the response on gun advocates whenever a mass shooting occurs.
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Ah, I missed the sarcasm. Possibly because you've been known to jump from one opinion to another quickly. And you were like the 5th person I've seen today come into a post about this that had no discussion about gun control whatsoever and complain about people who were using this tragedy to push their anti-gun agenda. I haven't seen a single person bring up gun control other than Obama himself, and that's just rote for him at this point. How many times has he given this speech now? A dozen? More?
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Ah, I missed the sarcasm. Possibly because you've been known to jump from one opinion to another quickly. And you were like the 5th person I've seen today come into a post about this that had no discussion about gun control whatsoever and complain about people who were using this tragedy to push their anti-gun agenda. I haven't seen a single person bring up gun control other than Obama himself, and that's just rote for him at this point. How many times has he given this speech now? A dozen? More?
I've been pro-gun control for a long time now...I am just realistic that nothing will ever change. EVER.
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18 times.

And as for the "debate" on gun control. It's already done. If sandy hook wasn't enough to get it started nothing will.
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The debate on gun control is like the peace talks between Israel and Palestina. Either it's not the right time for it, or someone shoots up a bunch of people and then it isn't the right time for it.

But, perhaps, instead of discussing the 2nd Amendment, it might be a good idea to hang this one on the 1st. After all, it does seem to have been inspired by Old Testament morals possibly combined with a psychosis.
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And as for the "debate" on gun control. It's already done. If sandy hook wasn't enough to get it started nothing will.
Yup...if a bunch of kids being gunned down at a school didn't do it, 50 gay people dying won't. Half the country thinks gay people are the devil incarnate anyway. (well probably 40% at this point but still, the point remains). A bunch of them were probably secretly happy that "the gays" got what they deserved for their "sinful lifestyle"
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It may be cynical of me, but I think most are just happy about the fact that they can blame the deaths on a Muslim. Now they don't have to think about the victims and what they stood for; they can go immediately into finger pointing mode.

Of course, it's theoretically possible that I would be wrong about this.
Maybe someone could ask the Westboro Baptists whether or not this Muslim was doing God's work.
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So this was basically good news for bigoted republican warmongers. Killing homosexuals and blaming it on ISIS.

So were they behind it? Did they take a hate crime and doctored it to look like terrorism? Did they put the idea in the guy's head so that he made himself out to be a terrorist? Was the guy himself a bigoted warmongering republican?
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So this was basically good news for bigoted republican warmongers. Killing homosexuals and blaming it on ISIS.

So were they behind it? Did they take a hate crime and doctored it to look like terrorism? Did they put the idea in the guy's head so that he made himself out to be a terrorist? Was the guy himself a bigoted warmongering republican?
Best part is that Trump will almost certainly see his poll numbers rise because of this.

4 years ago, Romney tried to politicize the Benghazi attack and it helped to sink his campaign. Now, with the atmosphere of fear that permeates our country, the neo-fascists will only be helped by this.

Same thing is happening throughout the entire West with nationalist parties gaining strength.

Pretty pathetic and sad just how fragile our supposed "civilized culture" really is.
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I might watch Maddow tonight for the first time in months. She's bound to have a good A-block take on this.
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There's a story out now that the shooter had been to the club before as a patron per at least 5 witnesses and he also had a profile on a gay dating site.

What a shock.
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I'm sure if you asked him, he was just staking the place out, possibly planning a few murder dates.

Most self-hating gays just kill themselves. Maybe people will start caring if more of them decide to take the whole damn club out with them.
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