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Tons of rumors of a seizure of power in Istanbul...not exactly a great thing right now. Apparently attempting to seize power from Erdogan and not on behalf of him at least.
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Tons of rumors of a seizure of power in Istanbul...not exactly a great thing right now. Apparently attempting to seize power from Erdogan and not on behalf of him at least.
Might be even more dangerous if it fails. Looks like they grabbed the bridges across the Bosporus and the airports, but haven't arrested Erdogan yet. I'd have to imagine that this was done at least with our approval. If it fails, we'll be blamed, and relations with Turkey will get even worse. Will be interesting to see both if it succeeds, and how much backlash there is both inside and outside of Turkey. Turkey becoming even more of a chaotic mess isn't good for anyone. On the other hand, if it succeeds, and if the Turkish people are mostly supportive could be very good for the Kurds, for the efforts against ISIS, for finally ending the civil war in Syria, and thus for us and the region.

Turkey was a much more western, much more progressive state when it was run by the military. A return to that, away from the theocratic/autocratic "democracy" of Erdogan, would be potentially quite good for us and for them (well those who don't like Turkey becoming an Islamic state). If it works. Or it could ruin our relationship with Turkey, and make Erdogan act even more like an autocratic thug if it fails.

Certainly increasingly clear why the State Department has been urging all Americans to get the f out of Turkey...
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MSNBC saying that Erdogan was refused the right to land his plane in Istanbul and is now requesting asylum in Germany. Quite ironic considering the recent row over both the Armenian genocide, and Erdogan insisting on that German comic being prosecuted for slandering him. Hopefully Germany refuses.

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Seems like the military has done a pretty good job of taking over Ankara and Istanbul. Appears to be a pretty well organized coup here.

Erdogan won't be missed.
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I am also watching the news. I am quite stunned.
I do hope its succesfull, otherwise its even more dictator erdogan.
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Terrifying to think of Trump potentially handling these types of messes in a couple of months...
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He'd probably try and reinstate Erdogan.
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Not so sure that this coup is going to succeed. Seems like only part of the military is involved, and most of the senior command had to be taken hostage. And we just issued a statement condemning the violence and supportive of Erdogan.
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Definitely looks failed now. The coup seemed to seize Ankara, but failed to secure Istanbul, and the soldiers are unwilling to fight against the civilian protesters, or the police, which seems in full support of Erdogan. This might get messy, and looks like it will end with Erdogan back in power, and likely ruling with even more of an iron fist than he had before.
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And now he will crack down with an even stronger Islamic authoritarian rule. Why our country is supporting the government is baffling, though 99% of what our administration does is baffling.
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And now he will crack down with an even stronger Islamic authoritarian rule. Why our country is supporting the government is baffling, though 99% of what our administration does is baffling.
Shot in the dark...we could tell the coup was failing and went with the winner since they're a major ally?
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And now he will crack down with an even stronger Islamic authoritarian rule. Why our country is supporting the government is baffling, though 99% of what our administration does is baffling.
We, unfortunately, have little choice. At least we don't seem to have been involved in planning this debacle. And we waited long enough to see how it played out, and began failing, and so avoided making any embarrassing official statements in support of a failed coup.
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Reichstag Fire type conspiracy theories already floating...

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Yep its quite worrying what happens in Turkey now. I think Erdogan will be even more a dictator and no more secular Turkey.
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One reason could be that despite his flaws, Obama still has some respect for democracy and the rule of law. Your implied suggestion that other countries should not have any kind of freedom is the kind of attitude that makes people distrust American prattle about democracy.

Erdogan got his position because he was elected to it. Simply having him shoved aside by the military is not really the kind of situation to be applauded, even if it may not be much of a difference anyway, seeing as how Erdogan doesn't have much respect for freedom and the rule of law either.
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It may sound somewhat cynical, but I have to ask: was the CIA behind this?
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It may sound somewhat cynical, but I have to ask: was the CIA behind this?
Kimon seems to think that if they had been, it wouldn't have failed.
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Sadly it is already defeated. Yesterday when I heard of it I was so fucking happy, just as much was I upset when I woke up and saw the reports about pro-Erdogan forces regaining control over the country.
Still hope to see Erdogan hung one day like Saddam.
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Over 2800 military officers arrested...and the purges begin.
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