hat/Who is the Creator
by Xenosaga-Zigguraut8: 2003-03-03 | Not yet rated
I haven't read the whole series yet so i dont know if this is disproved.
What if The Creator wasn't part of the pattern. What if he IS the pattern? i mean it says he weaves, what if he weaves himself? I mean it is possible, and here's another one
What if the creator is a person, hence it says HE weaves the pattern. So what if its a person who lives, but spends his time weaving a/the pattern and he is constantly reborn like the dragon? or to stretch it a bit more, what if it was an Aes Sedai? One who hid somewhere and weaved the pattern with his channeling power?
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Tamyrlin: 2003-03-05
In the end I think that it is more like the concept of nature being controlled by God. You could say that the Pattern seeks to keep the DO trapped and spins out heroes to help in that fight. But the Pattern seems like an active participant while it would appear from other statements that the Creator doesn't directly intervene.
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Elan Morin Tedronai: 2003-03-11
I agree with Tamyrlin, i think the reason the Creator doesn't take a direct hand is because - and i can't remember whom it was that put it this way but it's the best theory yet in my opinion.
The Creator is like a cosmic gardener he plants worlds and hopes they turn out well but has no time for maintenance.
In fact i think i just butchered Rand's mysterious speech from PoD, sorry.
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StanLee: 2003-03-19
I think that the Creator is actually the One Power. Or more like the One Power is part of the Creator. I think that is how the creator "weaves" the pattern. I don't think "he" actively participates, but I think that just realeasing the essence of him into the world helps. Just like Ishy and the other Forsaken channeling the True Source realeases a bit of the DO. After all, what happens to the One Power after channelers are done with it? It just disapates. I think that when it disapates it drives time and the pattern foreward. It is what makes the wheel of time spin, after all. I think this is also the reason for time distortion in other worlds and in the ways and whatnot, not much of the one power is released in these areas, hence not much time motion.
I think that the creator doesn't need to actively control events, because simply by people channeling, time moves forward and the pattern weaves on. The DO wants to break the wheel of time. I think that no matter what the DO does, he will loose as long as there are channelers. AS have been dwindling over time, so the last battle is just a way for the DO to kill all channelers and stop time.
Anyway, got way off the point. The creator is the One Power... in short.
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araqyl: 2003-05-16
The Creator being the One Power doesn't fit comments from various channelers who (hopefully) know what they're using.
They refer to the One Power being the force that turns the Wheel of Time, and when they use it for something it's like putting in a water-wheel - the flow of the Power turns the wheel, generating power for the channeler who's dipping in, but the actual flow of the Power is not altered - it remains where it is, but somehow the essence of the channeler is simultaneously in their body (wherever that is!) and within the flow of whichever half of the Power they use.
The small (!) problem I see with this is when Rand clears the taint - but it's possible that Rand just saw the Power as flowing through SL because his mind couldn't cope with SL being in front of him and immersed in Saidin at the same time...
In support of my theory on the nature of the One Power, channelers always feel they are immersed in the flow of whichever half they're using - again, in the cleansing of Saidin, Rand feels that Saidar is drowning him until he forces himself to surrender to it...
Finally, if the above theory fails to fit facts (as presented in quotes), then once it is released the Power just flows straight back into the big river again - since the cleansed Saidin is most definitely available for use again once Rand finished with it all... and it wasn't consumed in his work.
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The Leveler: 2003-05-17
The Creator is the DO. he is using this as a test of humanity.
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Shadow Bane: 2003-06-08
I think people put alot of emphasis on The whole dark one= creator thing. The dark one can be heard and "felt". where can you hear or "feel" the creator? And if the Chosen work for the Dark one directly shouldn't the creator have agents too? I think the dark one is Not as powerful as the creator. He wants the power the creator has so thats why hes doing the whole take over the world thing. So far as I can tell the creator has never contacted humanity. The creator is something beyond even the dark one that is impossible to reach.
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The Leveler: 2003-06-09
You can hear/feel the creator as the Dark One. And if he cannot touch the pattern, then how do the people know about him?
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Shadow Bane: 2003-06-11
Good point, that raises alot of questions. I was thinking maybe you could feel the creator especially on top of the Dragonmount? It is described as reaching towards the heavens. Maybe the creator will show up later before TG is over, after all in tEotW alot of people thought that voice was his. Maybe the creator is someone we know (Verin?) She does seem to know to much of what is going on. Any thoughts?
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heronblade: 2003-06-13
i dont think the world could cope with the presence of the creater and the dark one. it would be like compressing everything from the begining and the end of time in to one small knot. i think the creater works through mankind, who are creators and distroyers in their own right. the impulse to create and distroy exist in all of us and at times one overpowers the other. like on a seesaw. if this shifting didnot takeplace, the seesaw would not move and everything would be static, unchanging and stagnent. time would end, as the do seems to want. but if thats the case why does he not just stop. without death there can be no life.
sorry, im waffling. basically i think the do is the destructive element of the ONE BEING and the creator the life giving element. the battle is what keeps the wheel turning and if one side were to win then EVERYTHING would stop
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Callandor: 2003-06-13
But the DO did touch the world in the AoL and seems to be gaining more power touching the world now.
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Gaul: 2003-11-08
I have always thought of the creator as exactly what he is called ... the creator. he created the pattern and everything having to do with it, is it really that hard to believe. The dark one is just the darker side of the creation. There is always a dark or bad side to good. And as for verin, iv always thought of her as possibly the creators spy. She does always seem to know what is going on. And just a side note does the creator necessarily have to be good. couldnt it be possible that he is evil?
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Thousanth Son: 2003-11-09
Actually the Creator takes a direct part in Eye of the World. At the end when Rand warps in and demolishes all of those Trollocs, the creator speaks.
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Jalt Varyd: 2003-11-09
I think the creator is a being outside of and beyond the pattern. The creator is also the source of Saidar and Saidin. It seems to me that the creator is neutral, neither good nor evil. He/she/it leaves the fate of the world in the hands of it's inhabitants. After all, if they mess it up a new one can be made. However, if the creator is evil, why did he lock up the DO to start with?
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Callandor: 2003-11-10
**Actually the Creator takes a direct part in Eye of the World. At the end when Rand warps in and demolishes all of those Trollocs, the creator speaks.**
No, it is assumed to be the Creator, most likely is, but we cannot say that it is.
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Cor Shan: 2003-11-10
I concur with all who state the the creator only took part in EotW, and that he is good/neutral. Even if he is evil, hewould lock up the DO cuz evil infights.
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Zaela Sedai: 2003-11-11
It seems like the Creator is a lot like God in Christian belies and the DO is like satan. I'm not big religous person, but not many people except for way back have ever seen/spoke to God. But there's talk all the time about selling your soul to the devil and what not. As for the Creator being a person, I doubt it. But Verin working for "him"? that's not out of the question, and it would be pretty cool!
