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Though it should be mentioned he is also responsible for the abortions that were the Admiral Daala SW books...aka Jedi Academy Trilogy. Those books were pretty much the nadir of early SW novels. Up there with Truce at Bakura for fan-fic level of writing ability.

Ugh I had forgotten about those. Thanks for that.
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My hopes that aMoL won't suck are dimming fast.

While I didn't hate it, maybe my expectations have been lowered to the point that I can no longer be disappointed.

BS and Team Jordan seeming to miss essential facts about a man-woman link, who initiates, seeing the flows, etc. was jarring, and kind of pathetic given we saw it in one of the great scenes of the series.

I mean, wouldn't any author (or editor) make sure that both scenes comported with each other? I guess not. Still, that is mind blowing.

Elayne not being able to sense Aviendha, and getting her channeling back would also seem to be less obvious errors, but errors nonetheless.

And in typical BS fashion, every character is made to act foolish. Androl and Pevara (who are both supposed to kick ass) talking about small stuff (and ground they should have covered long ago) instead of how to get out of the predicament they are in. Did Pevara ever make her suggestions?

Ditto Avi and Elayne. And Elayne cursing in semi-public seemed a bit our of character. But she was far to flippant for me about Caemlyn being lost. I know Avi had already gone to the Wise Ones, so I'll let her off the hook a little bit.

Still, I think both POVs could have been added into the prologue with little effort and about 6-10 more pages less some of the silliness. In a book where we heard so much good stuff had to be left out, the inclusion of so much flotsam and jetsam, already, is disturbing.

EDIT: Not that RJ didn't include a lot that many deemed unnecessary, but it always added richness and detail. This was just added inanity. Avi sneaking? What is the point? She'd been with Elayne for months in Caemlyn, all the guards knew her, no chance she gets turned away?

Crap, here I was trying not to be too critical (and my initial reaction wasn't that bad), but the more I think about it, the worse it gets. RJ's better stuff, I can read over and over and enjoy, some of this, though...

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Audiobooks aren't really my thing. I hope I'll enjoy the written version better.


On the topic of Brandon being good/bad at writing the books. I'd like to say the following: Who else could have finished the series? Who could/would have set aside his/her own works for the thankless job of finishing another author's series? GRRM? not likely given that his own fans are already complaining about the delays his side projects take.


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On the topic of Brandon being good/bad at writing the books. I'd like to say the following: Who else could have finished the series? Who could/would have set aside his/her own works for the thankless job of finishing another author's series? GRRM? not likely given that his own fans are already complaining about the delays his side projects take.
People lose sight of this when they compare Sanderson to Jordan. Jordan finishing the series was sadly not an option. Sanderson needs to be compared to the realistic alternatives, which include the types of authors who write Star Wars and Star Trek books as these are folks who write in other people's series. Another realistic option is the series is never finished.

I believe he has done as good a job as anyone could reasonably expect if not better given the circumstances.
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On the topic of Brandon being good/bad at writing the books. I'd like to say the following: Who else could have finished the series?
Simply put, Harriet choose the wrong writer to finish her husband's epic work.

Brandon Sanderson didn't get it five years ago. Let alone now even. Brandon Sanderson didn't understand how World of Time was structured, then.
Brandon Sanderson and Team Jordan never did create a WoT metaphor index. This is one reason why TGS, ToM and AMoL books have been generally off overall--Character Voices, Imagery, Tone. (How do I know this? A Peter Ahstrom tweet months ago, to my twitter handle @TinkerPride.)




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Thankless job?

What relatively new author wouldn't jump at the chance to receive a good contract? Let alone a fan base of millions readers?

No writing Wheel of Time books is a path to fame and riches. "The Chosen One" has done this very thing.

Unfortunately "The Chosen One" writes fan fiction. "The Chosen One" writes in Plain Chant.
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I love the snarkiness and slams on Brandon...any lame theory, drivel, nonsense can be explained away later as BRANDON DIDN'T GET IT and I am right, this is wrong, omg what a travesty...and on and on and on.

Whatever. If you all hate it so much, maybe we need a separate forum for folks who just want to bitch about the writing. Or, you could just not bother reading anymore. This is getting tiresome HERE.
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yeah, it does seem that the new hype is criticising Brandon

I do agree with some or even most of it, but still....
It's kind of weird that all the free stuff we got has such a bad response and make people more worried about aMoL.
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At times "The Chosen One" can dive into in Plain Chant. Where? See AMoL Prologue. Why? It's veiled.
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I love the snarkiness and slams on Brandon...any lame theory, drivel, nonsense can be explained away later as BRANDON DIDN'T GET IT and I am right, this is wrong, omg what a travesty...and on and on and on.

Whatever. If you all hate it so much, maybe we need a separate forum for folks who just want to bitch about the writing. Or, you could just not bother reading anymore. This is getting tiresome HERE.
Likewise, you could stop reading this thread if it bothers you. Sometimes people need to vent.
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Disagree. I've noted numerous problems with "The Chosen One" writings for WoT. Its just been a sad experience to read WoT, the past five years.

"The Chosen One" is not a peer of Robert Jordan's quality. Wish it was different, but its the truth.
He lacks a poet's apt use of language.
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Isa bitched about Brandon before it was cool.
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Felix: I do consider it a hype now. The critisism is still valid, but there is much more now that after TGS came out.

I am not talking about individual complaints, but looking at the reactions on different forum now its like a hype, everyone is doing it.
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Isa bitched about Brandon before it was cool.
I don't think i was that vocal about it or even posted much about it. I did mention stuff I didn't like. I still think Brandon does his best.

However, I think there were others who really bitched about it before it was cool.
I think Dom was one of them.

And I do think there was some critisism about the timeline after TGS.
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Sanderson has the problem that he has to continue the work of another writer. Usually, at best, that results in a book that seems written by a committee (see the Dune sequels, for instance). In this case, it is still quite good, but, admittedly, not of the same consistent quality that RJ on his own managed to achieve.
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When a person sees a series they have enjoyed for 20 plus years reduced in quality. Its bothersome, especially when a person "knows" they could have done much better.

Robert Jordan once had a similar feeling to other authors prior works, before becoming an bestselling author. It's not an unique observation.
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When a person sees a series they have enjoyed for 20 plus years reduced in quality. Its bothersome, especially when a person "knows" they could have done much better.

Robert Jordan once had a similar feeling to other authors prior works, before becoming an bestselling author. It's not an unique observation.
No it is not unique. But it is boring at this point and...has nothing to do with the actual story being discussed. Points of fact being argued as to whether a dual bond is accurate is on topic, and interesting. Comments that Brandon is the "wrong choice" are pointless here after the first 10. And there are those *ahem* who will use this as a pitiful excuse to say their ideas are accurate and the writer is wrong.

More power to you though. Ultimately, it is all just entertainment.
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