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As you might have heard, there were 2 bombings this morning in the Moscow metro. Latest news I saw said as much as 35-37 people are dead, and at least 73 injured.

Rather unsurprisingly, Russia's blaming Northern Caucasus. Conveniently, they don't point a finger *only* at Chechnya. Northern Caucasus is where Georgia is, too. And, what SHOULD be alarming for the worldwide community, that's where Sochi is... Russia now conveniently has 4 years to clear out the entire area to ensure maximum Winter Olympics security... Am I paranoid to immediately think along these lines? Perhaps. But this is not completely unfounded.

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Russian authorities blame female suicide bombers for the two explosions at metro stations during rush hour Monday morning

Senior Russian officials say terrorists from the troubled Northern Caucasus could be behind two deadly explosions that ripped through Moscow's subway during morning rush hour on Monday. Female suicide bombers are suspected of carrying out the bomb attacks that killed at least 36 people and injured dozens more.

The blasts occurred during the morning rush hour in central Moscow. The first was at the Lubyanka metro station near the headquarters of the Russian State Security Service, known as the FSB, the successor to the Soviet KGB. The second came 40 minutes later at the Park Kultury station near the city's well-known Gorky Amusement Park.

In a televised Kremlin meeting, FSB Director Alexander Bortnikov said preliminary information indicates the first device contained the equivalent of four kilograms of TNT, the second up to two kilograms. Bortnikov also shared a possible motive.

The security official says the FSB's preliminary version of the attack points to involvement of terrorist groups from the Northern Caucasus. He says his agency will consider this the working version, because body parts of two female suicide bombers found on the scene link them to the Northern Caucasus.

The deputy speaker of Parliament, Alexander Torshin, told the Interfax News Agency the choice of Lubyanka was not accidental, because FSB agents come to work through the station.

Torshin also pointed to a connection in the Northern Caucasus, noting that the bombings could be in retaliation for killings announced this month of two prominent Islamic rebel leaders in the region. Both were allegedly linked to Doku Umarov, an Islamist leader in Chechnya wanted by Russia on charges of terrorism, kidnapping and murder.

No one has claimed responsibility, but the last suicide bombings in Moscow six years ago were blamed on separatist rebels seeking Chechen independence.

Russia has fought two wars against Chechnya since the 1990s - the latest effort to quell regional separatism since it was conquered by Russia in the 19th century. Residents of Chechnya and other Caucasus republics complain of widespread corruption and unemployment. Many come to Russia in search of work.

Ordinary Russians have also been quick to blame the Northern Caucasus. VOA interviewed six metro passengers at random, and each pointed to the region as the likely source of the attack. Olga notes many workers come from the Caucasus to Moscow in search of a living, but earn relatively little compared to long-time residents of the capital.

Olga says the newcomers get the least desirable jobs, earn no more than $600 a month and must work every day like a slave. She notes many Muscovites earn five times their wages.

Russian authorities have opened hotlines for relatives seeking information about victims. Criminal psychologist Mikhail Vinogradov at the independent Psychological Assistance Center told VOA his organization is being flooded with calls from people seeking expert help to cope with the trauma. Vinogradov, a retired Interior Ministry official, says it is very hard to defend against terrorist attacks.

Vinogradov says Russian special services stop about 350 terrorist attacks a year, but given such a massive threat, it is impossible to prevent them all. He says people should know that fact, adding that authorities are doing all they can to prevent terrorism.

Moscow's already crowded street traffic ground to a halt in many places as subway passengers sought other transportation. Russian news reports says taxi drivers raised fares sharply and many people simply walked to their destinations.
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Does Russia ever even change its playbook? How many times will they use the same scenario?

I almost wonder if the Russians blew up the subway themselves to give them cover for a military operation.
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I almost wonder if the Russians blew up the subway themselves to give them cover for a military operation.
More likely is that some "activist judges" ... ehr ... rogue secret agents paved the way for some convenient non-Russian extremists.

But whatever the truth of this is, you can be assured that the Russian president will make sure the culprits are brought to justice. Just as Bush promised would happen after 9/11 with OBL, remember?
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Whats the beef with the Caucuses? I know Russia has a problem with all of the countries around there that they consider to have broken away from them and ruined their empire, but what is the specific problem between them and chechnya and georgia and the caucuses? Is it a matter of control and they are looking for a reason to reassert that control?

I'm just trying to get my head around the conflicts is all.
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Whats the beef with the Caucuses? I know Russia has a problem with all of the countries around there that they consider to have broken away from them and ruined their empire, but what is the specific problem between them and chechnya and georgia and the caucuses? Is it a matter of control and they are looking for a reason to reassert that control?

I'm just trying to get my head around the conflicts is all.
Chechnya wants to be an independent country. Perhaps their wishes are similar to the Basques in Spain or to the Tamil region in Sri Lanka. An added catalyst in Chechnya is that the majority religion there is Islam.

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Chechen rebellion would characteristically flare up whenever the Russian state faced a period of internal uncertainty. Rebellions occurred during the Russo-Turkish War, the Russian Revolution of 1905, the Russian Revolution of 1917, the Russian Civil War (see Mountainous Republic of the Northern Caucasus), and Collectivization. Under Soviet rule, Chechnya was combined with Ingushetia to form the autonomous republic of Chechen-Ingushetia in the late 1930s.
Part of the bigger problem there is the same as in the Mari Republic, Kazakhstan, Georgia, Ukraine and the Baltic nations: intense russification from about 1880 onwards, which the indigenous people resent. To put it mildly. Only, in some regions the indigenous people are about as influential as Native Americans in the US. And they're not even allowed to own casinos. The eastern part of Ukraine, for example... almost all of the Mari Republic... the formerly Finnish Karelia...
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In Russia's defense, they DO have long standing claims in the area...reaching back to the time of Peter the Great.

Granted its the claim of a conqueror...
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Turkey has longer-standing claims. Italy (=former Roman empire) has even longer standing claims. And Greece has even longer-standing claims...
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Turkey has longer-standing claims. Italy (=former Roman empire) has even longer standing claims. And Greece has even longer-standing claims...
Turkey is full of evil muslim heathens...and they lost their claims militarily to Russia. The other two are in the same boat. I'm just teasing anyway.
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I'm just trying to get my head around the conflicts is all.
Am I right in remembering that control of Georgia gives them a stranglehold on some oil pipelines and whatnot? Russia's primary economic/foreign policy goals seem to be monopolizing oil trade to Europe.
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Well, yes, but remember: the Iraq war was not about oil. And neither is this one, obviously.
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MOSCOW — Two explosions killed at least 12 people in the volatile North Caucasus region on Wednesday in what appeared to be attacks aimed at the police, investigators from the Russian prosecutor’s office said.

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The bombings, which also injured at least two dozen people, occurred in Dagestan, a region of southern Russia that borders Chechnya where attacks against the police occur almost daily.

The attacks came two days after two suicide bombers set off explosions in the Moscow subway during the morning rush hour, killing 39 people, underscoring the difficulties facing the Russian authorities in preventing such attacks.

Law enforcement agencies throughout the country have been on alert since the Moscow bombings, and Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin has ordered the security forces to drag those responsible “out of the bottom of the sewer and into the light of God.”

On Wednesday, Mr. Putin said the attacks in Dagestan and Moscow could have been organized by “the same bandits,” the Interfax news agency reported.

Though no one has yet claimed responsibility for any of the attacks, the North Caucasus region has been marked for particular scrutiny. Russian officials have said the two women bombers on Monday were from Chechnya or a neighboring region in the North Caucasus.

For years Russia has been trying to stamp out a lingering Muslim insurgency in the region, which includes Chechnya, where federal forces fought two bloody wars against Muslim separatists.

The first of the bombs on Wednesday exploded in a parked car, killing two police officers who had pulled up beside it in their vehicle, according to a statement on the Web site of the prosecutor’s investigative wing.

As rescue workers and police officials gathered at the scene, a man in a police uniform walked up and set off his explosives, killing several more people, including the police chief of Kizlyar, the town where the attacks occurred.

Such attacks, which are not uncommon in the region, typically target police and government officials. There has been speculation that the bombings were revenge attacks for the recent killings of separatist leaders in the North Caucasus by police officials.

In the Moscow attacks, however, civilians appeared to be the prime targets: The bombers set off their explosives at two subway stations during the Monday morning rush hour, the first such attacks in the capital in years.

Rashid G. Nurgaliyev, Russia’s interior minister, ordered the police on Wednesday to increase security in public places like theaters, schools and universities.

“These attacks show,” he said, “that terrorists can target anywhere.”
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This is out of control. I DEMAND that Putin & Medvedev do something about these attacks! We can't have innocent blood spilled in the Rodina by these filthy terrorists! To Arms, Tovarisch, TO ARMS!!!


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Pretty much, yeah. Putvedev needs to do "something" to "restore order".

Also, Turkey should join NATO. Maybe that would calm things down over there...
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So it's a power play. They both want it and neither has much.
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